Fish still flashing after TTM

When dosing praziquantel I put in the dose per volume as directed. Then do I repeat that every day for 5 days or do I leave the single dose in the tank for 5 days then WC and redose? Just want to make sure I'm doing it right. Also need advice with Paraguard treatment. Should I be dosing everyday or does treat for a week mean a single dose then leave it in there for 7 days? I think I'm confusing myself...
 
Prazi is dosed once (on day 1) then a WC 5-7 days later then repeated for another round. Paraguard is dose every day I would recommend treatment for 30 days
 
I haven't done freshwater dip because last time I completely stressed out my clownfish. Not keen to do it unless completely unavoidable.
Good to know about the Paraguard treatment. Last time (when I thought it didn't work) I had only used it for a few days then gave up! Trying it again and if no joy will redo prazi. My DT is fallow for another 6 weeks so I have time to try both again like this.
My blenny is scratching his belly rather than his gills but I don't know if that is a red herring for diagnosing why they are still scratching. Any thoughts on that or is 30 days Paraguard then 3 treatments with prazi sensible enough at this point? All still eating well and no white spots.
 
Here's the thing without a freshwater dip to confirm flukes we don't know if we're treating it's only a guess. Freshwater dip is much more stressful on the pet owner than the fish as long as it's done correctly. This is how I do it, I use ro/Di water I float my dip container in my qt to bring up to temp during this time I use an air stone in the container to aerate, I donot worry about ph once to temp add the fish for 5 min done! The fish should breath rapidly during treatment it may sink on its side, play dead ect but it will be fine. Then check the container very closely for white opaque flukes if there is no flukes then we can suggest a more appropriate treatment. Good luck
 
The dip is necessary to confirm if you still have them. They could possibly just still be irritated from the bite marks, hence the flashing.
 
I have been treating with Paraguard now for 7 days. Still some flashing. The Gramma has some "cloudy" patches on his scales but I have been reading a lot and it is unlikely to be Brook or Uronema because he has always had this I just assumed it was symptom of the ich. Surely Brook would have killed him and Uronema would have gone to red sores. I am now getting some Sterazin and Formalin to treat once I quit on the Paraguard again. I am getting frustrated by this and hope it is not something sinister that is lingering in the background waiting to bite my stock. I have read some parasites can cause flicking/flashing but do no harm... sigh...

By the way I find it equally frustrating that although this site is brilliant and provides a lot of help, it seems disease treatment threads just stop! No updates and no follow up.
 
What we do on our end is try and help people like you from our experiences and readings. We can only offer advice to the best of our knowledge. As much as I would like for people to get back and update their threads, to let others know if the treatment we offered helped, we can't make them.

I look at things as no news is good news. If there were still problems (like in your case) they would come back asking for more help.

I honestly would ditch the Paraguard because it has obviously not worked, and I see a lot of other people having no luck as well. You need to FW dip to confirm flukes or not, this will give us the confirmation we need to give further advice.

Freshwater dips are stressful, but not as much as you would think. I've done plenty, in my experience the only fish adversely effected were already on their way out.
 
I can't remember all the details on your post and we're getting up
To 50 responses which is a lot of reading so I'm going to make another suggestion on treatment. At some point you need to reasses your treatment and at this point here's what I would do. "Do a fresh water dip" if there is no flukes I would stop all meds and give that poor fish a break while he's recouping do all the water tests amonnia nitrite and nitrate if any of these are out of whack correct these. Do a WC and observe the fish to see if the symptoms worsen. This could be the fish are getting agitated with all the meds.
 
I would agree with the last two comments about paraguard and since it is not helping I would discontinue using it and let the fish be with no meds and observe for about a week and see how it does. then you can do a fresh water dip and see if anything falls off. But honestly I think maybe certain flukes dont really come off with fw dip or are so small that they are hard to see if/when they fall off. I think I read somewhere that certain gill flukes are resistant to fw dip but not sure.
If still not resolved do a formalin (37%) bath for about 40-50 min max and place fish in a brand new sterile tank. then I would treat with two rounds of general cure 7 days apart and then final formalin bath 7 days latter.
I know you did prazipro but you might get better results with general cure since its in a powder form. Pour it in a cup with some tank water, mix it for a few minutes and add it slowly to the qt.
also some times the scratching could be due to environment factors like if someone using cleaning supplies in the same room and some vapor of it maybe getting into the tank or anything else that can irritate the fish and their gills kinda like when we have allergies and get itchy runny nose.
 
Ok thanks.
I will stop Paraguard again although I was told to use it for 30 days... I don't know anymore. I will do a 50% WC and leave things for a week or so. I have Formalin and Sterazin on their way to me. If after the week flicking persists I will fresh water dip to check again for flukes. If none I will do Formalin (I hope I can treat the QT tank not just a dip) treatment. I don't have another sterile tank so I will treat the QT with Formalin. I guess it will kill the filter too though, what a pain.
Maybe I am being over sensitive about the flicking. As suggested here it could be something that further medication won't fix. If occasional flicking is the only symptom and the fish are eating well can they go back in the DT at the end of its fallow period?
 
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I would not treat with formalin in the QT, it's better as a bath/dip. One, it's a carcinogen so ideally you'd want to limit exposure as much as possible. Two, it will muck up your water quality pretty quickly.

If you do a freshwater dip and find that prazi-resistant flukes are to blame...you could go the route of hypo-salinity vs. formalin. All you need is 5 days at .009 to kill them, and a new sterile QT wouldn't be necessary.

Just make sure the drop and rise is gradual to prevent osmotic shock, especially the rise.


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I have just completed 12 days of Sterazin treatment with a few water changes in between and I think it has sorted the problem. I am going to continue treating for another week or so to be sure. Fingers crossed.
 
Good news! I’m assuming this is a product from the UK as I’ve never heard of it here in the states. Hopefully this works, you’ve been dealing with this for a bit now.
 
Thanks, yes it has been a while. I think I am paranoid about seeing flicking out of the corner of my eye. I suppose because it has been a while. Sterazin is a liquid gill and fluke treatment by Waterlife here in the UK.
 
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