Flame angel pair

[Angel*Fish]

Hey Tommy- great photos & thanks for posting those links!
You can clearly see the female's bars are thinner than the male's and her blue on the "rear" fins is shorter

If those are your fish, it looks like they passed the both the visual & behavior tests.

My 2 have begun courtship behavior -- it's pretty cool to watch. I just wish I had a deeper tank because when they do the soaring the female sometimes gets up to 1/8 of an inch out of the water

David - Sorry, I guess I was taking your posts the wrong way

 

[criccio]

I hope you don't mind me resurrecting an old thread, but I would like to try and pair my golden (Centropyge aurantia), and I was wondering if anyone has attempted this species, and has any advice to offer beyond the info given?

Thanks, Chris

 

[LargeAngels]

criccio: Nope. But I have done potters (pair), flames (pair) and multicolors (trio.) Current multicolors are doing the "dance" in the evening. Small and large added at the same time, or letting the small establish for a couple of weeks, has always worked for me.

 

[FMarini]

jallard-
if you read the sticky entitled microfood at the top of the forum, you'll also should find an article from martin Moe on fish reproduction, in it you'll find the explanations of many of these terms, and why many fish choose different sexual strategies, and ...oh yes, believe Andy-

 

[oama]

Frank, Gosh Darn It! If we do that, it will swell Andy's head to the point that he won't be able to fit through the metal detectors for the flight to Vegas in February. J/K Andy

BTW, I'm saving up for the trip.

 

[spawner]

Ha,

My wife does a good job keeping me in line, most of the time. What do you mean your saving up Doug? Company trip man, tell to Kevin to feed the fish while your gone.

 

[oama]

LMAO. Like that would happen. I ment for the gaming tables!

 

[scubadan1989]

what would u say its the smallest tank a fish like angel or clownfish could breed in i have a 75 and i would love to breed some fish it gives it more excitement than there already is to this amazing hobby

 

[Angel*Fish]

Are you talking about spawning or actually breeding, collecting eggs and raising the fry? With angels, this is not going to be possible without full time dedication, research and training and moving near a supply of food for larval stages. Only a handful of people have done it, if that.

 

[Apercula]

what would u say its the smallest tank a fish like angel or clownfish could breed in i have a 75 and i would love to breed some fish it gives it more excitement than there already is to this amazing hobby

A 75g would be fine for having clowns spawn, you would need a rearing set up for the fry. There are lots of threads in this subforum showing various set ups.

 

[sonofstarstamps]

Hi All,

Have decided to try and get a small flame harem together.

I have had my current flame in the DT for about 2.5 years now, going strong.

It lives with a bicolor, a coral beauty, passer angelfish, a majestic angelfish, 4 yellow tangs, 4 purple tangs, a dussumieri, blue tang niger trigger, 8 chromus and 3 lawnmower blennies.

Will be buying more live rock soon, about another 100kgs, to increase hiding holes and sleeping places for the fish, currently about 100kgs in the tank.

I would like to buy a further 8-10 fish all in one go to introduce, wondering what is the best way to do so. Should i ask my LFS to place them all in one tank or ask them to quarantine them in one tank, order say 9 small and 1 larger or all of them small, my flame is a reasonable size.

Any thoughts, feedback would be appreciated, even if its to say, your crazy.

 

[dviper150]

Hi All,

Have decided to try and get a small flame harem together.

I have had my current flame in the DT for about 2.5 years now, going strong.

It lives with a bicolor, a coral beauty, passer angelfish, a majestic angelfish, 4 yellow tangs, 4 purple tangs, a dussumieri, blue tang niger trigger, 8 chromus and 3 lawnmower blennies.

Will be buying more live rock soon, about another 100kgs, to increase hiding holes and sleeping places for the fish, currently about 100kgs in the tank.

I would like to buy a further 8-10 fish all in one go to introduce, wondering what is the best way to do so. Should i ask my LFS to place them all in one tank or ask them to quarantine them in one tank, order say 9 small and 1 larger or all of them small, my flame is a reasonable size.

Any thoughts, feedback would be appreciated, even if its to say, your crazy.

wow! How big is your tank?

 

[jake levi]

I think you will have better luck with your flames in a single species tank, with live rock and inverts, being pelagic spawners egg gathering shouldnt be a major task.

What do you plan to feed your larvae and mets?

 

[jake levi]

Breeding Flame Angels

Breeding Flame Angels

The Flame Angel is one of my all time favorite angels, I have done a lot of corresponding with several who have spawned them, as well as raised some,

now that we know that the break through in raising the larvae is a small enough pod we should be seeing a number of them being captive bred. I dont think that they require a huge tank to spawn, I do believe that they will do best in a tank without other fish, especially ones their size or larger. A 30 breeder or 40 gal tank, with soft corals, live rock , plants and a healthy population of pods and other live food should make an excellent environment for them, while a pair is becoming a pair, conditioning etc is the time to practice the planton menu and be ready with the small pods, rotifers and the rest of the buffet.

Hopefully I will be following this myself this year.

 

[sonofstarstamps]

Have just finished stocking 10 specimens in my tank. Just prior to the introduction of the last 6 specimens i noticed two Flames do something that may have been breeding dance. Both specimens were dancing up to the top of the water line then going back down, up and back for about 20 minutes or so. No visual release of eggs or other though through the process.

Anyway, have just introduced the harem and all are getting on well and feeding well. Will post updates as they happen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTBK7Z8eP0o

 

[SoLiD]

These Pictures Belong to Copps from here on Reef Central.


Two Hawaiian flames... this one a male...

... and this one a female...

 

[Luis A M]

The Flame Angel is one of my all time favorite angels, I have done a lot of corresponding with several who have spawned them, as well as raised some,

now that we know that the break through in raising the larvae is a small enough pod we should be seeing a number of them being captive bred. I dont think that they require a huge tank to spawn, I do believe that they will do best in a tank without other fish, especially ones their size or larger. A 30 breeder or 40 gal tank, with soft corals, live rock , plants and a healthy population of pods and other live food should make an excellent environment for them, while a pair is becoming a pair, conditioning etc is the time to practice the planton menu and be ready with the small pods, rotifers and the rest of the buffet.

Hopefully I will be following this myself this year.

Jake,anybody new had raised them,other than Peter B.and 2 other places in Hawaii?
My pair lives happily in a 120 x 40 x40 cm.The female gets plump every evening and lays lots of eggs.All infertile,unfortunately.The tank is shallow and everybody believes tank depth is important for a successful spawning rise.Or is it another myth?.I hesitate to build one of those ugly and cumbersome spawning drums.I did recently add a moon LED light,as a breeder in another Site found their fish became fertile after he set it.Didn´t work in my case.:sad2:

 

[Angel*Fish]

Fwiw, mine would hit the top of the water and I wasn't sure, but it seemed to spook them a bit. It's been a long time - I lost everything in Hurricane Ike - just now starting up again.

 

[jake levi]

Hi Luis

Those are the only ones that I know of,

I was doing a lot of corresponding with Skip Moe before the results were out on the Hawaii work, and he was feeling very strongly that adding ciliates to the first feeding efforts could be a trigger to success. I still think that a shotgun approach with ciliates and pods could be a way towards more success.

I am going to be setting up a 75 for them, live rock, plants, some soft corals, and build a population of pods and other in-tank foods as well as feeding them the best that I can, I also think the depth is important, looking at a 75 cube , or a 90.

I think that there is a lot of tweaking to be done on the process.

 

[Luis A M]

At that time,Martin had been working a lot with C.argi larvae,and everybody was sure he was going to crack pigmy angels soon.After all,he did raise Pomacanthus in the 70´s.
I happened to be with him in a meeting at Fl.when we first heard about the success of the Oceanic Institute.Not a nice moment to be there,he surely deserved to be the first...:worried: