Flow...
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Oxygen is fine....
I have sorted the flow by buying a pond pump, now pushing near 20k /ph through the sump. (niagra now seems quiet!)
I have also bought an Ozone unit and paragon medicine.
Fish are still breathing hard and dieing.
Out, out of ideas, what possibly can I do more
I have sorted the flow by buying a pond pump, now pushing near 20k /ph through the sump. (niagra now seems quiet!)
I have also bought an Ozone unit and paragon medicine.
Fish are still breathing hard and dieing.
Out, out of ideas, what possibly can I do more
Avi
Premium Member
Let's go slow. Can you post your water's test readings...ammonia and nitrates. Also, what kind of substrate do you have? I don't know why...maybe it's something I've read here in RC....but while I see from the manufacturer's website that the Prizm Pro is rated for tanks of up to 300-gallons...they may not be all that effective. Maybe a post asking about that would be a direction to go in. Fish gasping at the surface of the water....high CO2 levels but that would be accompanied by lower pH....insufficient O2 levels but that wouldn't usually happen if a skimmer is going 24/7. even if the temperature is high. Accelerated breathing could also be brought on by elevated ammonia or nitrate. I'm confident, though, that you've looked into that.
Could there be some kind of noxous substance leeching into the water from some source?
This is quite a thorny problem you've got there, Seany.
Could there be some kind of noxous substance leeching into the water from some source?
This is quite a thorny problem you've got there, Seany.
Avi
Premium Member
Well...we've covered a lot of possibilities and none of them explain this problem. Seany, it's a thorny one, that's for sure. But there does have to be an explanation that's discoverable, doesn't there? Well, could there be any kind of noxious material leeching into the water? I know this is a dumb question, but have you tested for ammonia recently?
(sorry for the two-post thing but the RC page reacted wierdly when I posted the first and it only showed up a while later on and I hadn't seen it when I posted the second.)
(sorry for the two-post thing but the RC page reacted wierdly when I posted the first and it only showed up a while later on and I hadn't seen it when I posted the second.)
Hi Avi,
You could say thorny... big *** barbed thorns, lol
the tests for everything normal, no2, no3, po4, ph, o2, gh, cu, nh3 are better than I have ever had???
The prizm is just second stage to my Deltec, spare equipment
My anemone did go through a bad phase, tentacles crinckled etc. it now looks good but pale, does not sit in direct light, but has never moved?!
the fish do not look any better, lost my clown, just three left all on the verge radical movements hiding etc
crabs, snails, starfish..... all great
I keep pushing towards poisoning of some kind, but surely the crabs etc would die, at least one, as they are reaching 100! also within the past month I have changed 50% of water to no avail
I really dont know what else I can do, I have bought everything I can think of yet nothing changes, quite frustrating, but when it works it will be all worth it,
You could say thorny... big *** barbed thorns, lol
the tests for everything normal, no2, no3, po4, ph, o2, gh, cu, nh3 are better than I have ever had???
The prizm is just second stage to my Deltec, spare equipment
My anemone did go through a bad phase, tentacles crinckled etc. it now looks good but pale, does not sit in direct light, but has never moved?!
the fish do not look any better, lost my clown, just three left all on the verge radical movements hiding etc
crabs, snails, starfish..... all great
I keep pushing towards poisoning of some kind, but surely the crabs etc would die, at least one, as they are reaching 100! also within the past month I have changed 50% of water to no avail
I really dont know what else I can do, I have bought everything I can think of yet nothing changes, quite frustrating, but when it works it will be all worth it,
Hi Avi,
You could say thorny... big *** barbed thorns, lol
the tests for everything normal, no2, no3, po4, ph, o2, gh, cu, nh3 are better than I have ever had???
The prizm is just second stage to my Deltec, spare equipment
My anemone did go through a bad phase, tentacles crinckled etc. it now looks good but pale, does not sit in direct light, but has never moved?!
the fish do not look any better, lost my clown, just three left all on the verge radical movements hiding etc
crabs, snails, starfish..... all great
I keep pushing towards poisoning of some kind, but surely the crabs etc would die, at least one, as they are reaching 100! also within the past month I have changed 50% of water to no avail
I really dont know what else I can do, I have bought everything I can think of yet nothing changes, quite frustrating, but when it works it will be all worth it,
You could say thorny... big *** barbed thorns, lol
the tests for everything normal, no2, no3, po4, ph, o2, gh, cu, nh3 are better than I have ever had???
The prizm is just second stage to my Deltec, spare equipment
My anemone did go through a bad phase, tentacles crinckled etc. it now looks good but pale, does not sit in direct light, but has never moved?!
the fish do not look any better, lost my clown, just three left all on the verge radical movements hiding etc
crabs, snails, starfish..... all great
I keep pushing towards poisoning of some kind, but surely the crabs etc would die, at least one, as they are reaching 100! also within the past month I have changed 50% of water to no avail
I really dont know what else I can do, I have bought everything I can think of yet nothing changes, quite frustrating, but when it works it will be all worth it,
Avi
Premium Member
Wow. My head's overheating here. I'm starting to think that there has to be some disease effecting the fish and that's why the crabs and other inverts are doing well while the fish are in extremis. Sometimes, with certain diseases, the overt signs aren't very apparent. I think what you need to do is just let the fish just go through the course of it, if you can't remove them and place them in a quarantine tank for some medicinal treatment. If they die, then don't get any fish for about a month or so, and then start stocking again. By that time, any pathogen without a host will more than likely be unable to survive on its own.
Keep us posted on this.
Keep us posted on this.
So things have now taken a turn for the worse - maybe!
The sifter was behaving strange yesterday, walking kinda stiff walking with its body high, it then turned itself completely inside out (by which point I thought it was dead) well... 12 hours later and it is turning itself back, although I don't really think it is a whole lot better! looks to have lost a leg - probably from crabs etc?
ARRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
That feels better
I have a 30G spare tank, nothing setup though. I am thinking (dangerous, I know!) that I move all the inverts to the small tank and treat the big tank with something copper based.... gulp!
will this ruin all the LR life, coraline etc?
Will there be risk to future inverts?
Is this just too extreme?
and just bit more headache for you...
I have a rock where life is crazy, loads of feather dusters and looks to be growing something - light brown, jelly like all this is meant to be good.... right
thanks so much
The sifter was behaving strange yesterday, walking kinda stiff walking with its body high, it then turned itself completely inside out (by which point I thought it was dead) well... 12 hours later and it is turning itself back, although I don't really think it is a whole lot better! looks to have lost a leg - probably from crabs etc?
ARRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
That feels better
I have a 30G spare tank, nothing setup though. I am thinking (dangerous, I know!) that I move all the inverts to the small tank and treat the big tank with something copper based.... gulp!
will this ruin all the LR life, coraline etc?
Will there be risk to future inverts?
Is this just too extreme?
and just bit more headache for you...
I have a rock where life is crazy, loads of feather dusters and looks to be growing something - light brown, jelly like all this is meant to be good.... right
thanks so much
Avi
Premium Member
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6292783#post6292783 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SeanySean
So things have now taken a turn for the worse - maybe!
ARRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
That feels better
I can imagine that it does.
It will, I'm afraid. The copper will leech into the rock and even the silicon in the seams of the tank and it would cause problems of all kinds because you wouldn't be likely to ever get it completely out and any inverts you ever put in there would suffer....Yep...too extreme.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6292783#post6292783 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SeanySean
and just bit more headache for you...
I have a rock where life is crazy, loads of feather dusters and looks to be growing something - light brown, jelly like all this is meant to be good.... right
Hmmmm....hearing that there are lots of feather dusters is definitely a good sign, which in a way makes this whole problem even more perplexing. But, I don't like the sound of this "jelly" thing. It's most likely innocent enough, like a sponge of some kind. But, when things just don't add up like what's going on in your reef, I'm suspicious. Can you post a photo of it that would show it's nature in some detail?
sorry no digi cam, I have pictures of tank and setup etc
I really think that it is good though.. it is on the best rock that actually looks like LR. One thing, does it help to tell you that My LR in direct light looks bleached, where as behind looks colourful?
One extreme to another----- remove all substrate? As when the ph's mess the sand things seem to go wrong, params are always fine though, do you think that something could be harboring in the sand-could be coincidence? BB would take some getting used to for me?
I really think that it is good though.. it is on the best rock that actually looks like LR. One thing, does it help to tell you that My LR in direct light looks bleached, where as behind looks colourful?
One extreme to another----- remove all substrate? As when the ph's mess the sand things seem to go wrong, params are always fine though, do you think that something could be harboring in the sand-could be coincidence? BB would take some getting used to for me?
Avi
Premium Member
Go to www.photobucket.com and open a free account there. If you've scanned the photos onto your hard-drive once you have your own account, you can submit them and they'll be placed into your "album" there. You click on and copy the third URL below the photo and paste it into the text of a post you do in RC and it will show up when someone goes to the thread that it's in.
I think it's fair to say that coraline algae doesn't prefer or do best, at least initially, in the most intense lighting. So, that isn't surprising. I don't see how that would have anything to do with the problems that you're having with fish fatalities, though.
Well, if it's happening when the substrate is disrupted and there is actually a correlation, then it could be some toxic agent emanating from the substrate that just isn't being tested for. I can't imagine what it is but if these fish deaths aren't your imagination, and I'm sure they aren't, then there is something in the tank that is causing them. I wonder if that's where the problem lays. But, I haven't a clue as to what toxic agent would be there other than ammonia that you have tested for and would have effected the inverts as well as the fish. I'd pay particular attention to the possibility that the substrate being disrupted and things going badly for the fish having some relationship. If you're convinced that there is, then get rid of it. I recently removed all the crushed coral from my reef. It's a pain in the neck but I was happy I did it. I have a small layer of sand now.
half of these are in fish sky, but here goes, been too ashemed to show project previous....
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Avi
Premium Member
Nothing to be ashamed of at all. The strange thing is that your test readings are fine. I'd say from looking at the pic that you're sorely in need of more live rock. I went ahead with the idea of one pound of rock per gallon of water, though I have about 160-pounds of rock in my 120-gallon reef, by now.
Also, while you did mention that there was some disruption of your substrate by the powerheads, what's the overall turnover in the tank? Direct blasting from a power head isn't ideal water flow. I find that the kind of flow is really critical and the more oyou get to the irregular, broader flow, the healthier the reef.
And, the water seems from the photos to be somewhat cloudy....let's get back to the skimmer...are you certain it's functioning adequately?
Also, while you did mention that there was some disruption of your substrate by the powerheads, what's the overall turnover in the tank? Direct blasting from a power head isn't ideal water flow. I find that the kind of flow is really critical and the more oyou get to the irregular, broader flow, the healthier the reef.
And, the water seems from the photos to be somewhat cloudy....let's get back to the skimmer...are you certain it's functioning adequately?
ok... these were taken a couple of months ago
now....
Inside tank 5 x
sump 15 x
skimmers 3 x
and am still waiting on seio to push inside 20x +
yes abso on the LR but in time, I have 110lbs for 4 fish, bio balls 2 skimmers, ozone, de-nitatre, rowapos etc,
o2 now measures 12 at my ears expense!
these were taken from a phone, water is absolute crystal, better than my reef prior, the skimmer is great, boh of them rated would easily do my tank at overload + I hardly feed at the moment, so the only time that the skimmer really works is during feeding
now....
Inside tank 5 x
sump 15 x
skimmers 3 x
and am still waiting on seio to push inside 20x +
yes abso on the LR but in time, I have 110lbs for 4 fish, bio balls 2 skimmers, ozone, de-nitatre, rowapos etc,
o2 now measures 12 at my ears expense!
these were taken from a phone, water is absolute crystal, better than my reef prior, the skimmer is great, boh of them rated would easily do my tank at overload + I hardly feed at the moment, so the only time that the skimmer really works is during feeding
Avi
Premium Member
Boy, Seany....you sure are making this tough...J/K. As for flow, the Seios are good...I have two working on my reef right now. I have a total of about 35X in the tank and I really don't see that as too much at all.
What kind of denitrator are you using? Also, could the ozone be at some incorrect setting?
What kind of denitrator are you using? Also, could the ozone be at some incorrect setting?
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