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[dlopes]

Hi,

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11245290#post11245290 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by LukFox
The emperor looks to have Head and Lateral Line Erosion. Have you been including greens and sponge in its diet? Deteriorating water conditions can also help cause the condition. You can fix it by getting the water clean and feeding it all the foods it needs.

Thanks for your feedback.
I´d found an article in Reefkepping Magazine by Steven Pro and his conclusion is very interesting...

"After all this, I guess I should go out on a limb and give my opinion as to the cause of this syndrome. Well, I am going to go a bit farther than that. I am going to say conclusively, once and for all, what causes this condition. Are you ready? Here goes… captivity. Yes, captivity causes MHLLE. I say that jokingly, but there is also some truth in this statement. As I said previously, MHLLE has not been seen on wild fish on the reefs (Blasiola, 1990). We therefore deduce that it is obviously something we, collectively as hobbyists, are doing or not providing for our aquatic pets that causes this ailment. What exactly that is will require further scientific experimentation to definitively prove. Until then, I agree with the broad recommendations of Terry Bartelme: reduce stress, improve nutritional regime, add vitamins and HUFA supplements to the diet, enhance water quality and also try beta glucan and garlic. Those same things have almost always worked for me when I have had an occurrence of MHLLE in the fish I care for, and hopefully they will work for you."

Once the water quality is fine and I´m giving the fish a well balanced diet I´ll try to had some garlic and beta glucan. Naturally that they stressed and for that I can´t do anything but wait until the treatment ends.

He´s eating very well. Here´s a close pic...

Cheers,
Diogo

 

[redhdmedic]

when I moved my bi-color from my old 55 FOWLR to my reef she had a big start on HLLE, but with plenty of Sea-Veggies (she prefers green&purple) and Selcon she is gorgeous today...i think the pic of her in my gallery is "mid-treatment"...I've also treated my scopas tang with the same result...good luck.

 

[sunfishh]

I am curious dlopes why don't you use PVC pipe for hiding places for your fish. Since you have a disease in the tank and it is running hypo your fish are already stressed. Add to this that they have no where to hide and I think you are asking for trouble. Adding some PVC pipe for them to hide will help them recover faster while also lessening the fishes stress.

 

[TitoTee]

As much as many of us here have tried to give the best advice - it is what it is. I predict at least two more fish in that last pic will die within the month.

I am done with my input in this thread.

Keeping corals is not the same as keeping fish. In my opinion - once you have your water parameters right - meaning a cycled tank and using RO water with high output lighting - you basically can't go wrong with corals.

Keeping fish is a whole different ballgame! You can have a cycled tank and still kill fish after fish.

I say this because Dlopes says he's kept a Reef before.

When money is no problem I find that folks don't mind killing fish. It's the guy that says $140 of my hard earned money is a lot! You can be sure that kind of guy will learn how to keep fish alive.

 

[lendz]

Great threadA! I've learned alot from this.
However,I pity those fish that died.
But look at the bright side,new lessons eh?

 

[lendz]

Great thread! I've learned alot from this.
However,I pity those fish that died.
But look at the bright side,new lessons eh?

 

[lendz]

Great thread! I've learned alot from this.
However,I pity those fish that died.
But look at the bright side,new lessons eh?

 

[dlopes]

Hi,

No more news from my tank but the time passing. After a month of treatment all the fish look fine. I´ll wait another month..

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11252378#post11252378 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TitoTee
As much as many of us here have tried to give the best advice - it is what it is. I predict at least two more fish in that last pic will die within the month.

I am done with my input in this thread.

Keeping corals is not the same as keeping fish. In my opinion - once you have your water parameters right - meaning a cycled tank and using RO water with high output lighting - you basically can't go wrong with corals.

Keeping fish is a whole different ballgame! You can have a cycled tank and still kill fish after fish.

I say this because Dlopes says he's kept a Reef before.

When money is no problem I find that folks don't mind killing fish. It's the guy that says $140 of my hard earned money is a lot! You can be sure that kind of guy will learn how to keep fish alive.

It´s probably my bad english working here but you really find to hard to say something nice!!! All I can say is thanks for all your advices.

Cheers,
Diogo

 

[TitoTee]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11333149#post11333149 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dlopes
Hi,

No more news from my tank but the time passing. After a month of treatment all the fish look fine. I´ll wait another month..



It´s probably my bad english working here but you really find to hard to say something nice!!! All I can say is thanks for all your advices.

Cheers,
Diogo

LOL no not all Dlopes - like I said much earlier in your thread I really like the tank and even linked the thread to another site I favor to show some friends how beautiful your tank looks. But now look at your tank - it's stripped down man! There's nothing beautiful about it. And look how many fish died. I have good things to say when they need to be said and Bad things to say when they need to be said as well. And since you said nothing new to report - that must mean no more fish died right? So that's a good thing I can say, hey good to hear no new mortalities. When you get a chance post another pic of your tank.

 

[dlopes]

Hi,

As I said - no more news to had! Offcourse it means that no more dead fish! I can put anther pic but it will be just like the one posted before...

Now I´m planning the aquascape that I´ll put over in the begining of january. I´m thinking about a bare bottom with a closed loop under some reefplates. Something simple that can provide a lot of circulation under the rocks and keep the maintenance simple.

I´ll probably stay with the trickle filters that I´m currently running with the old substracte.

Anyone has a better idea?

Cheers,
Diogo

 

[Marc]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11334905#post11334905 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dlopes
Hi,

As I said - no more news to had! Offcourse it means that no more dead fish! I can put anther pic but it will be just like the one posted before...

Now I´m planning the aquascape that I´ll put over in the begining of january. I´m thinking about a bare bottom with a closed loop under some reefplates. Something simple that can provide a lot of circulation under the rocks and keep the maintenance simple.

I´ll probably stay with the trickle filters that I´m currently running with the old substracte.

Anyone has a better idea?

Cheers,
Diogo

That is exactly what I am planning on doing with my FOWLR. I am tired of siphoning sand of dirt and having sand blown around by my powerful pumps. I plan on taking it out and putting it in my 58 gallon refuge for caulerpa algae etc. Plus with more flow around the rocks the tank will stay free of algae and the water should be sparkling clear. There is a hobbiest here on Reefcentral who did the same thing and he has so much flow the fish are blown around the tank! LOL!!!:lol:

Marc

 

[dlopes]

Hi Marc,

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11339543#post11339543 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Marc
That is exactly what I am planning on doing with my FOWLR. I am tired of siphoning sand of dirt and having sand blown around by my powerful pumps. I plan on taking it out and putting it in my 58 gallon refuge for caulerpa algae etc. Plus with more flow around the rocks the tank will stay free of algae and the water should be sparkling clear.

I´m gonna try to have a lot of ciculation under the rocks and I´m also gonna had a new refuge with chaetomorpha...

Cheers,
Diogo

 

[dlopes]

Hi,

Another bad day... the emperator is dead!!! Why...???! I really don´t have the answer but I can assume it was stress or the result of some internal infecions. The truth is that anything works.

Meanwhile today I start adding some reefplates and gradually start to put the salinity up - I just put some salt water in the reposition tank.

Here´s a pic...

Cheers,
Diogo

 

[mattsilvester]

Sorry to hear about your emporer - its gutting to loose a fish like an emporer.....

Sorry to say it, but I don't there was any "mysterious" infection that killed him, it was probably just the stress of all that has gone on with your tank...... they really can't handle that I'm afraid. In my opinion they are quite a hardy fish - hardier than most people think, but their achilies heel is that they cannot handle "stress"......

Better luck nect time.....

Matt

 

[WuHT]

if anything..this at least shows how hardy auriga BF , damselfish, and your remaining flagfin and singapore angels are

 

[dlopes]

Hi,

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11463161#post11463161 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by WuHT
if anything..this at least shows how hardy auriga BF , damselfish, and your remaining flagfin and singapore angels are

Yep! Nevertheless flagfin angels are known as not so hardy...!

Cheers,
Diogo

 

[TitoTee]

Hey! Why is no one mentioning the clown? The clown has proven to be prety hardy as well!!

 

[dlopes]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11463437#post11463437 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TitoTee
Hey! Why is no one mentioning the clown? The clown has proven to be prety hardy as well!!

They are! This where born in captivity and that make them even more hardy. I lost 4 in the treatment because they where to fragile due to the fights that took place once I put the anemones. The other 4 are ok and growing.

Cheers,
Diogo

 

[chwattscaw]

dlopes,

were you using RO water for topoff and salt mix?

Thanks,
Chris

 

[baldomero]

thats the best looking fowlr tank ive seen to date too bad you went through all those changes.