Frustrated with TTM

[Naraku]

So I ordered an Auriga and a saddleback.
The Auriga dies midway thru tank transfer and I chalk it up to ammonia.
Today, the saddleback dies (towards end of transfers).
I'm doing TTM every day rather than 3 days because I had fish die before.

I reordered the Auriga yesterday, today, I noticed a red wound that looks like uronema.

Done with this %@#&^&%^&
I feel like the most unluckiest fish keeper.
I really want to share my success with you guys, but it looks like it ain't happening.


If this Auriga dies, I'm going to take a break from fish keeping.

 

[Dmorty217]

Fish deaths are pretty common with TTM. I have only ever done it once with success, hence why I stopped using it

 

[Naraku]

What do you recommend?
Copper? I am unable to source pure chloroquine.

How do I prevent uronema?
I have used TTM with success, just not recently.

Fish deaths are pretty common with TTM. I have only ever done it once with success, hence why I stopped using it

 

[Dmorty217]

I use CP, and not from diamondback drugs. I would use CP for uronema, there should be at least a thread or two in the disease section of where people shared using CP for it. I personally have never dealt with it. I always end up with fish that have Flukes (virtually 100% of the time, the next most common is ich that I have personally dealt with)

 

[Naraku]

You're lucky. I rather have fluke than uronema.

Seems like I only have lymho (unknown white spots), uronema and ocassionally ick.

 

[Naraku]

Do you get fish from quality marine?
Not having too much success with them via liveaquaria and LFS.

Are there any other suppliers I can try?

 

[scuzy]

I've done many ttm with success it's all comes down to how healthy was the fish coming in.


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[MondoBongo]

Fish deaths are pretty common with TTM. I have only ever done it once with success, hence why I stopped using it

i've only lost one fish in TTM, it was a copperband that refused to eat.

aside from him i've used it successfully a number of times, even on fish generally considered "cut flowers" under the best conditions.

if you're killing fish in TTM they're either very sick, or you're doing it wrong.

 

[vhuang168]

TTM will not 'cure' your fish if it had uronema.

Only fish I lost from TTM were already weak or refused to eat. Lost a quad of Tukas recently.

TTM is only meant for ich. You need to incorporate other forms of medication to address other forms of parasites/disease.


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[scuzy]

Formalin dip, then ttm prazi them into qt for observation. So far bullet proof.


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[Naraku]

according to liveaquaria and QM "MAC certified Fiji"

Would collection be suspected?
Auriga ate but saddleback did not.

Is it possible that they still use cyanide or other drugs even though its labeled as "MAC certified"

 

[Naraku]

For the current one, I'm doing TTM with formalin dips.
I dipped yesterday. Doing another dip today. Hopefully daily dips and transfer to clean tank will cure him.

TTM will not 'cure' your fish if it had uronema.

Only fish I lost from TTM were already weak or refused to eat. Lost a quad of Tukas recently.

TTM is only meant for ich. You need to incorporate other forms of medication to address other forms of parasites/disease.


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[Naraku]

I think they are just weak. I've had other fish make it thru qt also.
I even held off antibiotics just to reduce stress.

It was basically transfer to clean water every day. So I can't be doing it wrong.

i've only lost one fish in TTM, it was a copperband that refused to eat.

aside from him i've used it successfully a number of times, even on fish generally considered "cut flowers" under the best conditions.

if you're killing fish in TTM they're either very sick, or you're doing it wrong.

 

[scuzy]

Also I use nitrofuracin green during ttm to help with any infections


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[lo7100]

Naraku,

I'm butterflyfish lover. This is what I did for TTM.
I don't put the fishes in TTM after purchase. I put them in QT and make sure they eat well (It's usually 3 to 4 weeks), then I put them thru TTM.
I can recall I never lose a fish in TTM. I have 15 butterflies, 5 angels and 8 wrasses so far.

 

[Naraku]

Last time I did that, uronema was brought in. It wiped out all my other fish in quarantine.

Naraku,

I'm butterflyfish lover. This is what I did for TTM.
I don't put the fishes in TTM after purchase. I put them in QT and make sure they eat well (It's usually 3 to 4 weeks), then I put them thru TTM.
I can recall I never lose a fish in TTM. I have 15 butterflies, 5 angels and 8 wrasses so far.

 

[ThRoewer]

I usually do not use TTM since it is only effective against Cryptocaryon which is the parasite I'm the least concerned about.
Velvet, flukes, brook, Uronema and the like are of far greater concern.

Also, if I would do TTM I did it at the end of the quarantine period when the fish are stabilized and eating.

IMO one of the most important treatments is giving every new fish a formalin bath before they even go into the quarantine tank. That should kill off quite a few of the usual suspects (Brooklynella and Uronema) before they become a problem.
By the time you see Uronema it is usually already quite late in the progression of the disease.

The parasite I fear the most is Amyloodinium.

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[hogfanreefer]

I would never transfer every day. There really is no reason to. I monitor for ammonia but if I feed prudently and don't put too many fish (my limit is 3 fish if small to medium sized and 2 if larger) in the tank I've never had an ammonia problem.

I have had great success with TTM. If you have a fish you think is very delicate, QT in a cycled QT tank for a few weeks and treat for other diseases/get the fish eating and then do TTM. That takes your cycled QT out of commision for 72 days to let it go fallow for Ich but it was worth it for me when I QT'd things like leopard wrasses and other difficult or delicate fish.

 

[fishfreak2009]

For all those who believe their fish are dying from uronema: have any of you actually had testing done to confirm Uronema? There are other diseases that can mimic Uronema, including some strains of vibrio. I had a batch of Anthias, Chromis, and butterflies I thought had Uronema, but I sent a deceased specimen for bacterial culture to make sure. Turns out the fishes had an aggressive strain of Vibrio, and it was susceptible to Erythromycin. 5 days of treatment and I didn't lose any other fish. About $25 in antibiotics saved almost $500 of fish. I still have the school of Chromis (greens and Vanderbilt's) as well as the coral beauty angel.

A bacterial culture and susceptibility test through most veterinary reference labs is around $125, and often times is worth the 2-3 day wait in order to find the right treatment.

 

[Naraku]

I'm currently treating with ciprofloxacin, metronidazole and ick shield to cover all bases.

I did a formalin dip today before transferring to a new tank.

For all those who believe their fish are dying from uronema: have any of you actually had testing done to confirm Uronema? There are other diseases that can mimic Uronema, including some strains of vibrio. I had a batch of Anthias, Chromis, and butterflies I thought had Uronema, but I sent a deceased specimen for bacterial culture to make sure. Turns out the fishes had an aggressive strain of Vibrio, and it was susceptible to Erythromycin. 5 days of treatment and I didn't lose any other fish. About $25 in antibiotics saved almost $500 of fish. I still have the school of Chromis (greens and Vanderbilt's) as well as the coral beauty angel.

A bacterial culture and susceptibility test through most veterinary reference labs is around $125, and often times is worth the 2-3 day wait in order to find the right treatment.