Fuge vs. Bio-Pellets

shellsea

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I am debating converting my in sump fuge section to a clean section used for bio pellet reactor and other media. Why?

Not sure how much benefit from a small 10.5 x 15.5 with one lonely mangrove and a 8 inch ball of cheto that I harvest occasionally is doing.

The light that throws over into the skimmer section is growing coraline on the skimmer body. I would think that creates water friction in skimmer reducing performance.

Detritus trap. I'm reluctant to vacuum fuge section in fear of getting rid of what I am trying to generate.

Your Thoughts?
120 gallon mixed, LPS dominated w/ total water volume aprx. 140 gallons.
 
Refugia and pellet reactors have pretty different functions, even though both are normally used for nutrient reduction.

What about leaving the fuge and dosing carbon instead of using a pellet reactor? A reactor takes up room, carbon dosing doesn't have to. It's also easier to regulate since you can change dose or carbon source whenever you want versus dropping a fixed amount of pellets in a reactor and hoping it's right for your tank.

If you want to get rid of the light, I would consider converting the compartment to a cryptic zone with rock rubble and targeting sponges, tunicates, and other non photosynthetic life that can help with nutrients.
 
What are your current nitrate/phosphate readings?

I too favor liquid carbon dosing (vinegar/vodka or a combination of both,etc..) over biopellets.. Its just much easier/cheaper process..
Biopellets require a reactor/pump using energy constantly/dialing in a perfect flow rate/more costly carbon source,etc...
Dripping vinegar from a water bottle in is just so much easier/less expensive and from my experience works better/faster,etc..
 
Refugia and pellet reactors have pretty different functions, even though both are normally used for nutrient reduction.

What about leaving the fuge and dosing carbon instead of using a pellet reactor? A reactor takes up room, carbon dosing doesn't have to. It's also easier to regulate since you can change dose or carbon source whenever you want versus dropping a fixed amount of pellets in a reactor and hoping it's right for your tank.

If you want to get rid of the light, I would consider converting the compartment to a cryptic zone with rock rubble and targeting sponges, tunicates, and other non photosynthetic life that can help with nutrients.

Thank you for the comment. My fuge, is really not much more than a ball of cheato and the one mangrove. I have no substrate except the detritus that accumulates although targeting sponges and tunicates is appealing.
Could you expand on the different functions performed by pellets vs. fuge. I like idea of carbon dosing you and Mcgyvr suggest and will consider. Thanks.
 
I agree with everyone else. It may not look like it does much but that also would lead us to believe the nutrients in your tank are in line. A biopellet reactor is the exact same thing as carbon dosing but in a reactor instead of just dripping liquid into the tank. Also carbon dosing is great for nitrates but has a limited impact on phosphates. I think a combined approach will work best but start slow. If you see a decline in your chaeto slow your dosing.

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Thank you for the comment. My fuge, is really not much more than a ball of cheato and the one mangrove. I have no substrate except the detritus that accumulates although targeting sponges and tunicates is appealing.
Could you expand on the different functions performed by pellets vs. fuge. I like idea of carbon dosing you and Mcgyvr suggest and will consider. Thanks.

Comparing biopellets to a refugium is like comparing a lawnmower to a garage. The lawnmower just cuts your grass. The garage can hold things that cut your grass, or cars, or a workshop...

Chaeto takes light and nutrients (N, P, carbon in the form of CO2) out of the water and puts oxygen into the water, plus minor amounts of some organic compounds. Chaeto also acts as a great environment to grow all kinds of micro-life - pods, bacteria, micro brittle stars, etc.

Biopellet reactors hold biopellets. Biopellets serve us by acting as a passive form of carbon dosing. They put carbon into the water in a form that bacteria can easily use. The idea is that they fuel bacterial growth, and the bacteria consume nutrients,

In the end, both will lower nutrient levels, though by pretty different paths, and the Chaeto will give you a bunch of other potential functions, as well. The fact that Chaeto uses CO2 and releases oxygen means that while your 'fuge lights are on, it'll help stabilize pH (reducing CO2 in the water means you're pulling out carbonic acid and raising the pH). By running 'fuge lights on an opposite schedule from your display, you can balance out the pH over a full 24 hour day. There is an additional slight advantage in that the Chaeto is releasing oxygen into the water while the 'fuge lights are on. Carbon dosing, on the other hand, tends to have the opposite effect, since the bacteria it typically fuels are aerobic and consume oxygen.

If you're after nutrient reduction, both are OK as long as you understand how they work and how to manage them versus your tank conditions and your desired nutrient levels. The refugium gives you the other advantages I mentioned, though some of those can be had without the Chaeto, too. If you just fill it with rock rubble and leave the lights off, it'll slowly become overgrown with all kinds of non photosynthetic life (sponges, tunicates, worms, brittle stars, pods, etc.). That life can provide a minor nutrient reduction and water filtering capability (minor only due to the small size of the compartment), plus you're adding a ton od biodiversity to the tank, which is always good.

If I were in your shoes, I would step back and evaluate your needs and your goals. Do you actually have a nutrient problem? Do you have anything else you're trying to accomplish? Your 'fuge as it's set up now will give you some minor nutrient reduction and those other benefits. If it's not working for nutrient reduction, you can try liquid carbon dosing with little effort and without reconfiguring your system. Biopellets require a reactor, plumbing changes, etc. If you don't have a nutrient problem, I wouldn't carbon dose at all - it can be harmful to a tank that doesn't need it.

If you find you don't need the nutrient reduction of the Chaeto, but still want the biodiversity from a 'fuge, try the cryptic zone version (just take the light off and put some rock rubble in it.)
 
Comparing biopellets to a refugium is like comparing a lawnmower to a garage. The lawnmower just cuts your grass. The garage can hold things that cut your grass, or cars, or a workshop...



Chaeto takes light and nutrients (N, P, carbon in the form of CO2) out of the water and puts oxygen into the water, plus minor amounts of some organic compounds. Chaeto also acts as a great environment to grow all kinds of micro-life - pods, bacteria, micro brittle stars, etc.



Biopellet reactors hold biopellets. Biopellets serve us by acting as a passive form of carbon dosing. They put carbon into the water in a form that bacteria can easily use. The idea is that they fuel bacterial growth, and the bacteria consume nutrients,



In the end, both will lower nutrient levels, though by pretty different paths, and the Chaeto will give you a bunch of other potential functions, as well. The fact that Chaeto uses CO2 and releases oxygen means that while your 'fuge lights are on, it'll help stabilize pH (reducing CO2 in the water means you're pulling out carbonic acid and raising the pH). By running 'fuge lights on an opposite schedule from your display, you can balance out the pH over a full 24 hour day. There is an additional slight advantage in that the Chaeto is releasing oxygen into the water while the 'fuge lights are on. Carbon dosing, on the other hand, tends to have the opposite effect, since the bacteria it typically fuels are aerobic and consume oxygen.



If you're after nutrient reduction, both are OK as long as you understand how they work and how to manage them versus your tank conditions and your desired nutrient levels. The refugium gives you the other advantages I mentioned, though some of those can be had without the Chaeto, too. If you just fill it with rock rubble and leave the lights off, it'll slowly become overgrown with all kinds of non photosynthetic life (sponges, tunicates, worms, brittle stars, pods, etc.). That life can provide a minor nutrient reduction and water filtering capability (minor only due to the small size of the compartment), plus you're adding a ton od biodiversity to the tank, which is always good.



If I were in your shoes, I would step back and evaluate your needs and your goals. Do you actually have a nutrient problem? Do you have anything else you're trying to accomplish? Your 'fuge as it's set up now will give you some minor nutrient reduction and those other benefits. If it's not working for nutrient reduction, you can try liquid carbon dosing with little effort and without reconfiguring your system. Biopellets require a reactor, plumbing changes, etc. If you don't have a nutrient problem, I wouldn't carbon dose at all - it can be harmful to a tank that doesn't need it.



If you find you don't need the nutrient reduction of the Chaeto, but still want the biodiversity from a 'fuge, try the cryptic zone version (just take the light off and put some rock rubble in it.)



Thanks a lot. Excellent analogy and explanation. Very helpful.


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