Full Spectrum DIY guide
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Maybe I can help you with search for perfect LEDs BeanAnimal
If you look close to existing LEDs made by the big boys,they are using custom made LEDs.
Adding color LEDs require very close monitoring Quality and very strict output of the light-LEDs produced by Manufacturers. In old days using blue and white give us a possibility to achieve similar effect to product they selling , nobody will share their secrets what they produce and what kind of LEDs they are. anything available for us in the market right now is basically rejects and left over from the production. Now if you want order 10,000 +Led's I am sure they going to be more than happy to make custom LEDs.
Probably like myself after researching Internet your conclusions are:
This subject is extremely confusing. and also because color LEDs are new to us
Maybe is easier and cheaper to buy LED lamps from reputable company.
Comparing prices of the LEDs before and now I am sure you can find something suitable for yours reef.
My question is for you:
After purchasing LEDs for your project how you can determine Quality of LED You purchase?
BW my previous comments was not directed to you
Happy reefing and good luck with the soldering Led's
If you look close to existing LEDs made by the big boys,they are using custom made LEDs.
Adding color LEDs require very close monitoring Quality and very strict output of the light-LEDs produced by Manufacturers. In old days using blue and white give us a possibility to achieve similar effect to product they selling , nobody will share their secrets what they produce and what kind of LEDs they are. anything available for us in the market right now is basically rejects and left over from the production. Now if you want order 10,000 +Led's I am sure they going to be more than happy to make custom LEDs.
Probably like myself after researching Internet your conclusions are:
This subject is extremely confusing. and also because color LEDs are new to us
Maybe is easier and cheaper to buy LED lamps from reputable company.
Comparing prices of the LEDs before and now I am sure you can find something suitable for yours reef.
My question is for you:
After purchasing LEDs for your project how you can determine Quality of LED You purchase?
BW my previous comments was not directed to you
Happy reefing and good luck with the soldering Led's
BeanAnimal
Premium Member
Poly,
I fully understand the binning process and that in some cases the best bins are hard to come by. However, I don't buy (no pun) for a moment that A) the "big boys" in our hobby are big enough to garner any special treatment and B) that any of them (including orphek) have access to secret phosphors. Most are simply jobber quantities of LEDs from distribution and choosing from available bins.
I know for a fact I can place an order for "custom" phosphors on my choice of bins from any number of China LED jobbers or direct manufacturers. Most of the fixture manufacturers are not even going that far. They are putting their money into the contollable driver and features like the housing and controller integration.
I fully understand the binning process and that in some cases the best bins are hard to come by. However, I don't buy (no pun) for a moment that A) the "big boys" in our hobby are big enough to garner any special treatment and B) that any of them (including orphek) have access to secret phosphors. Most are simply jobber quantities of LEDs from distribution and choosing from available bins.
I know for a fact I can place an order for "custom" phosphors on my choice of bins from any number of China LED jobbers or direct manufacturers. Most of the fixture manufacturers are not even going that far. They are putting their money into the contollable driver and features like the housing and controller integration.
i would agree with bean on the point that the big boys do not have some sort of magic sauce recipe to coat these leds. if they did i would suspect the prices of these units would be astronomical. and if there was such a thing i would imagine you would see a huge difference in big boy leds and diy in terms of growth and somehow i doubt that, provided you actually make a proper diy unit. as with most other companies even outside of the fish industry your paying mostly for the name and the bells and whistles.
of coarse this is all just personally speculation since i have not actually tested anything lol
of coarse this is all just personally speculation since i have not actually tested anything lol
what would be the need for these coral ocean star leds? if i am reading it correctly it seems like it is a chip with 1 of each cool/warm/nuetral white led, but the total wat of entire chip is 3w which makes each led 1w.
wouldn't be better to just use 3w single chips? or are we just trying to save space? is there something i am missing?
wouldn't be better to just use 3w single chips? or are we just trying to save space? is there something i am missing?
I'm sorry I have to disagree with that.
Every major manufacturer would not deal with retail customer
They have distributors for that.
Similar situation when it comes to Chinese manufacturers.
BW those company are owned by the Chinese government.
Openly or quietly.
And if you don't have somebody in China good luck you getting the .....
Bins are recognize by numbers. Chinese doesn't recognize American numbers....
Except in dollar's....
And if I am not mistaking Cree only produce lower end LEDs in China.
Good stuff stays at home..... for a very simple reason.
High tech industries are required by the law.
Nanofreak79
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Yes, that's the peak so range goes into the low 400's and starts around 385-390.
I'll put them over GSP.....although I've never been able to kill those:uzi:
You order a lot you getting much more....
Basic Business practice
There's no magic they call it clean room
Extreme clean condition.....
magic sauce recipe-yes they do. that's why takes them many months of hard work and testing before they release new product to their customers.
As a big boys company they want to make sure product work as advertised.....
When they have 500+customers happy a week .....
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Nanofreak79
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Ocean coral whites......if your speaking of the ones on ledgroupbuy are actually R,T,CB I believe. It's basically keeping them cluster tight on one star, making it easier to solder as well as blend the colors. You can also solder them separately to have individual control. I'm not sure if we're speaking of the same LEDs here? If we are there 3 watt LEDs.
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thx for the response, yes indeed we are nano freak since i was asking about the ones you are going to use... after following some links around i saw they were kinda like a rbg all in one which i think is pretty nifty. this seems like a good way to add multiple colors while saving space for other options i like it.
Nanofreak79
New member
Ok so for the guts I'm thinking this.....
12" or 18" makers led heatsink, will depend on how many LEDs we come up with. The good thing about this sink is flexibility to move around the LEDs.
DIM 4 controller for sunrise/sunset/fan etc.
Inventronics drivers 25-40 watt depending on LEDs
LEDs listed are a starting point, any help, input is appreciated!
4- UV LEDs bridglux
4- ocean coral white stars 470nm,495nm,660nm
10-royal blue bridgelux
6-8 whites???? I have a mix laying around
Blue 470nm???
Orange/amber Cree #????
Green/ Cree/bridglux ????
12" or 18" makers led heatsink, will depend on how many LEDs we come up with. The good thing about this sink is flexibility to move around the LEDs.
DIM 4 controller for sunrise/sunset/fan etc.
Inventronics drivers 25-40 watt depending on LEDs
LEDs listed are a starting point, any help, input is appreciated!
4- UV LEDs bridglux
4- ocean coral white stars 470nm,495nm,660nm
10-royal blue bridgelux
6-8 whites???? I have a mix laying around
Blue 470nm???
Orange/amber Cree #????
Green/ Cree/bridglux ????
Nanofreak79
New member
Easy to solder , I bought some ocean whites and don't think so
The neg pad is buried in between two LEDs
What was difficult for you?
Nanofreak79
New member
I could use those as well. There great for color blending, and avoiding the disco effect. They can also still be wired separately. I think there positive is space saving, and still have great coverage. Although I'm not sure if they have optics available for them yet? Not sure on that. I won't be using any for this build anyway.
