General tank size range for 'smaller' fishes...

Sk8r

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It's hard to figure as a novice, what works well, what doesn't. Note: I'm not saying get ALL of these, just that this is a suggestion list to choose from.

20-40 gallons: shrimp other than cleaner (harasses fish) or coral banded (eats fish) interesting inverts, redstripe gobies or similar, tailspot blenny, one chromis, one royal gramma, one firefish (with lid).
Will die, even if small: sandsifting goby, watchman, dragon goby; mandarin or other dragonet.

50-75 gallons: all of the above, plus lawnmower, jawfish (with 4" sandbed); small dragonet WITH year-old prolific 20 gallon fuge; 1 sandsifting goby; smallest damsels, 1 each; chalk bass. Mild percula clowns possible, but will possibly become a pita toward other fishes. Wait a year on an anemone. They will accept a hammer coral or toadstool as a substitute. Smallest wrasses, with caution.

80-100 gallons; all of the above, more damsels, 1 of a kind; one small-species angel, once tank matures [1 year]; one small-species tang, again, mature tank; mandy will live without fuge if tank is mature and no other predation of copepods. Wrasses. The 'red' clown species and clarkiis.

200 gallons: all the above, a little more of some species.

300 gallons: all the above, larger, faster swimmers, tangs, angels, etc, with caution.

These aren't hard and fast, just suggestions for what species are going to do best, and what ones you might have trouble keeping in some tanks---for instance, getting a sand-sifting goby for a 20 gallon is almost always going to end badly. You can do tradeoffs, ie, certain clowns in a 50, if they've got the whole tank; and I'm not experienced in eels, lions, and carnivorous fishes, so I leave it to others where they fit---although people who have, say, lions, in larger tanks say they do move around quite a bit and seem to enjoy the space. It's hard when you got to the lfs and see a cute itty bitty fish in what you'd swear is hardly a 20 g---to know, as a novice, that that fish will be a foot long full-grown; or that this fish eats only mysterious film off rocks, and if your rocks aren't 'old' enough in the environment, the poor thing will starve (some angels are in this category; the rainford goby and linckia starfish seem to be).

So it can't be said too often: impulse-buys are not the way to go. Get the name, write it down, go home and get on the internet: find out about that fish before you drop it into your rockwork. As a fer-instance, I got a lovely yellow dottyback that proved to terrify the damsels, nip his neighbors, and who was impossible to catch. I figured how---but that fish was smarter than a fifth grader, to use a popular phrase, and certainly smarter than I was---I'd been stupid enough to buy him. He finally went back to the lfs to find a new victim somewhere else in the city, I'm sure. Dottybacks can be like that. Beautiful fish. Biiiiiiiiiig attitude. I don't recommend them unless you have fish that are just as onery---and if a blue velvet damsel runs scared of him, that's one onery fish.

HTH a bit, and provokes a discussion that may help people compose their fish lists.
 
Sk8r, I have to disagree with your 20-40g comments. I have succesfully kept cleaner shrimp for years in a 30g tank. It in no way harrassed the fish. Cleaned them, yes. I also kept a watchman goby for over 6 years until it was killed by a small foxface. I also have a female misbar percula clownfish that is over six years old. A single clownfish is a good addition to a 30g tank. I wouldn't recommend anything smaller for an adult female percula. I raised her from a 3/4" juvenile. She owns the tank.

Consult Scott Michael's Marine Fishes for minimum tank sizes. Liveaquaria is also a good resource with cross references being a good idea.
 
Great thread! as my tank is nowhere near ready for fish I been researching all kinds like crazy. I only have a 60gallon so nothing spectacular yet (already looking to upgrade to a 180) but you can have some awesome fish in the mid size tanks.
 
Sk8r, I have to disagree with your 20-40g comments. I have succesfully kept cleaner shrimp for years in a 30g tank. It in no way harrassed the fish. Cleaned them, yes. I also kept a watchman goby for over 6 years until it was killed by a small foxface. I also have a female misbar percula clownfish that is over six years old. A single clownfish is a good addition to a 30g tank. I wouldn't recommend anything smaller for an adult female percula. I raised her from a 3/4" juvenile. She owns the tank.

Consult Scott Michael's Marine Fishes for minimum tank sizes. Liveaquaria is also a good resource with cross references being a good idea.

I agree with Sugar about the cleaner shrimp in that I kept them for years in smaller tanks with a small fish without any problem.

I'd also point out that aquascaping makes a huge difference as well. If you're keeping fish such as tangs that need lots of room, it's important that they have lots of unimpeded swimming space.
 
I've had the cleaners eaten under that circumstance...although honestly, it could have been bad luck with the shrimp: they are vulnerable (and tasty) when they molt. They're fun shrimp, but a bit pesty. As I say, not hard and fast 'rules', just some sense of scale. The watchmen I've had would eat pellet, but I've known some (dragon goby is the most difficult) that just insisted on sandcleaning and moving a lot of it. And I really hate to see somebody get one first off, with a thin, very, very clean new sandbed [read: no food in it], and then have it have trouble.

The percs and skunks, as clownfish go, are pretty nicely mannered, and content with less range. An adult clarkii is a different story. They have teeth and mine, in a 100, regularly bit *me*, let alone an intruding fish.

Foxface or any rabbit can be a problem, because they are venomous, and they can do in other fish if they feel crowded, which can happen really easily in a 50.
 
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Well, it's hard to generalize, but I hope at least to steer people toward first-fishes that will survive pretty safely in a typical tank of that size, and then if you want to horse-trade with Lady Luck and try to accommodate a fish that's kind of in the grey area, you know that you've got to free up some 'space' for him to live in. These fish I've named are pretty tough, and survive beginner mistakes if not too wild: the problem is, the smaller the tank, the worse the result from just a little mistake. Large tanks and tanks with big sumps have more leeway. If you can get through your first half year without losing a fish, you're on your way, and will know a lot more than you did when you started. What I want to prevent is somebody starting out with fish that aren't going to thrive in their size tank and then having to go through all sorts of grief trying to keep their tank working well. The less stress you put on a new system the better---and approaching a fish store with no clue what you're after, and what will fit well, can lead to unhappy experiences. Always qt (dragonets are the one exception, because of their diet---and they should come only to a more mature tank, because they need copepods from a fuge or from a whole lot of rock!) and buy from clean sources. Prioritize buying equipment ahead of fish---to keep the fish alive and healthy when you do get them. Most of all, go slow at first. One fish at a time: I know they look lonely, but what they're 'thinking' is: gee, no predators, and all the food is mine.
 
Seems a bit over conservative. I base my thoughts only on what I've read, and I respect your vast knowledge and experience. It seems this site is not very nano-friendly. I'm not saying it in a negative way, but it seems many just lack an appreciation for the smaller tanks. On other forums, the watchman goby seems to be a popular choice for smaller aquariums. I'm curious as to why you think its not. I totally understand the dragonets, etc. Also, clowns seem to do well in smaller tanks, not picos, but 15-30 gal. I'm talking about percs and false percs, not the "other" clowns. Not arguing here, just hopefully stimulating some discussion. Thanks for the post!

Edit, all that said, my tank is WAAAAAYYYYY OVERSTOCKED!!!!!!!!! Ordering the first component for my 75 next week. Let the shopping spree begin......yay!
 
Well, I totaly understand why you are keeping the count on the "conservative" side, so no comment on that from me.

But I would like to take the opportunity to thank you for your great blog, great info to be found there and very pleasant to read....:reading:

I reccommend it to all newbees (myself included) :)

Thanks

Ivan
 
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