Genicanthus Caudovittatus - worth the price?

[Jacob D]

Re: Re: Genicanthus Caudovittatus - worth the price?

Re: Re: Genicanthus Caudovittatus - worth the price?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15265487#post15265487 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jmaneyapanda
I never understand questions like this

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15272095#post15272095 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jmaneyapanda
I understand your question completely.

Not sure you do, but with your rationale it doesn't matter anyway. If it's a moot discussion, then what's with the persistent response from you? Sorry I bruised your ego, geez.

 

[jmaneyapanda]

Got me. Good luck with your quest.

 

[JHemdal]

So Jacob, - if I understand your original question correctly, you're asking if people think that the price for caudovittatus is artificially high due to demand, or is the cost reflecting its true intrinsic value?

I can't say, but I'll tell you in about six months (grin) - if the price drops, then the market was just being tested, if the price remains high, then there are valid costs associated with acquiring that species for market.

Recent cases where the market was being "tested" - greissinger gobies, polleni grouper and perhaps borbonius anthias. The classic case of this was during the introduction of the mandarinfish - the first one I saw back in the early 1970's was $300. Within a year, the price dropped to $19.95

Cases where the intrinsic value of the fish is high: wrought iron butterflyfish, emperor angels, etc.


Jay

 

[Jacob D]

Jay, that's pretty much what I'm saying. Thank you for phrasing it more elegantly for me

Borbonius is a perfect example.

 

[zooty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15275170#post15275170 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JHemdal
So Jacob, - if I understand your original question correctly, you're asking if people think that the price for caudovittatus is artificially high due to demand, or is the cost reflecting its true intrinsic value?

I can't say, but I'll tell you in about six months (grin) - if the price drops, then the market was just being tested, if the price remains high, then there are valid costs associated with acquiring that species for market.

Recent cases where the market was being "tested" - greissinger gobies, polleni grouper and perhaps borbonius anthias. The classic case of this was during the introduction of the mandarinfish - the first one I saw back in the early 1970's was $300. Within a year, the price dropped to $19.95

Cases where the intrinsic value of the fish is high: wrought iron butterflyfish, emperor angels, etc.


Jay

Soooooo
If I want one, I should wait 6 months to see if the price comes down?

 

[gasman059]

G.melanospilos male

G.melanospilos male

completely dif fish IMHO.

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[Jacob D]

^^ and that would be a melanospilos, correct?

 

[SDguy]

I personally find males to be VERY similar.... other than the obvious black patch on the dorsal fin. From the google images I looked through, I think that maybe caudovittatus also gets a bit more striping all around/under the eye, not just above it; though that could be a function of size/age of the male.

 

[Vili_Shark]

I have never seen a melanospilus in the wild.

I did see some caudovittatus and the full grown males looks awsome, they have kind of metallic color.

I got a few pics from Indonesia of a pair and it was full adult pair, smiliar the ones I see in the Red Sea.
Spectacular fish.

 

[BangkokMatt]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15280830#post15280830 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by zooty
Soooooo
If I want one, I should wait 6 months to see if the price comes down?

That's a tricky one. They have been rarely seen in the trade (in fact I have never seen one for sale - but I live in Thailand) until recently. Obviously somebody is now collecting but for how long. Apparently, they were available to the hobbyist about 10 years ago and then disappeared.
The price is not high really. If you want them go for it. If the price drops - oh well. If they stop being available again you may well regret not getting them.

 

[Jacob D]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15280830#post15280830 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by zooty
Soooooo
If I want one, I should wait 6 months to see if the price comes down?

You could potentially save $200-$300 on a pair gauging from prices earlier this year, but if you really want them it might be a good idea to just pull the trigger. Like Matt said future availability and pricing is hard to predict right now. Since these fish are most likely seasonally collected it might be a year before you get a chance to find out if the prices have dropped or not.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15261590#post15261590 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by joetbs
You do realize these are collected pretty deep at 45-55m (150-180 feet) right?

Depending on the source of information they inhabit depth as shallow as 2 meters (fishbase, 2-70 meters).
"Inhabits shallow waters in the Red Sea; deeper in the Andaman Sea, usually at depths of 40 m or more. "

A Reefkeeping magazine article states collection depth of 30 feet for G. caudovittatus. Other sources put them at 25 meters and deeper. There is a recent photo thread with pictures from the Red Sea where the diver/OP states that he photographed them around 20 meters and there were quite a few of them to be seen. All of this information supports good likelihood of collection at 20-25 meters in the Red Sea. That's around the same range as G. melanospilos.

 

[SDguy]

But then doesn't collection from the Red Sea negate any cost savings of shallow water collection?

 

[Jacob D]

Probably to an extent. There's been at least one pair though that sold for $199 (not from DD) and a few individuals showing up on other sites for about the same price until recently. So they either came from the Red Sea or somewhere else, but if it was elsewhere they were most likely from deeper water.

 

[Vili_Shark]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15288146#post15288146 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jacob D
Probably to an extent. There's been at least one pair though that sold for $199 (not from DD) and a few individuals showing up on other sites for about the same price until recently. So they either came from the Red Sea or somewhere else, but if it was elsewhere they were most likely from deeper water.

They are not coming from the Red Sea.

Given the current prices of the couple regular exporters from the Red Sea, for the more common fish like purple tangs and sohals , G.caudovittatus should costs much more than what they're asking here.

In the past couple of months they showed up in Indonesia exporters lists, first i thought its a mistake, but then I checked the pics and they are real caudovittatus, Dave Palmer told me they're probably from Sumatra.

 

[SDguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15289445#post15289445 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vili_Shark
They are not coming from the Red Sea.

Given the current prices of the couple regular exporters from the Red Sea, for the more common fish like purple tangs and sohals , G.caudovittatus should costs much more than what they're asking here.

Is that why I haven't seen Chaetodon paucifasciatus for a while now?

 

[Jacob D]

Another pair just showed up on DD. This one is about $150 less than the last pair they had.

 

[LamboBoy]

I know this is a very old post but a pair of G.Caudovittatus just showed up yesterday on DD for $599.00. I guess it's because we don't see them very often anymore?

 

[myerst2]

What is this Gen. Worth. Lol.....

Jeremy I would especially like to know what it's worth to you?