GHL convert auto feeding system
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Aquabacs
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Honestly, there should not be an issue regarding temp or humidity. I know of one other set up that has been running over 18 months without issue. Not saying it cant happen though.
Mike
AQD_ottawa
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well you know what I am going to say..... Ok I wont say it..... but if it does..... then......
Ok cant help my self, party pooper hat on - this will invalidate the warranty - sorry, electonics and dampness, especially as high as that seriously dont mix, the dampness in cold air is far denser.
The reason your friends may not have failed is due to the fact they could be using a frost free fridge, as these pull moisture out of the unit, but even then that will only delay the certainty
The part I fear most is the rear board, the motors are copper/bronze and stainless, so I can send you a new rear board for $59 in readiness if you like
I am not saying its not a great idea but its at your risk
Ok cant help my self, party pooper hat on - this will invalidate the warranty - sorry, electonics and dampness, especially as high as that seriously dont mix, the dampness in cold air is far denser.
The reason your friends may not have failed is due to the fact they could be using a frost free fridge, as these pull moisture out of the unit, but even then that will only delay the certainty
The part I fear most is the rear board, the motors are copper/bronze and stainless, so I can send you a new rear board for $59 in readiness if you like
I am not saying its not a great idea but its at your risk
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boboxx
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Cool, I think you will be fine, the inside of the refrigirator should be rather dry...
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071105131555AAsdOAO
Also I like the use of the T... I will do that to the end of my balling system to T all the tarces, and salt and "flush it" with the ATO to prevent buildup at the end of the lines
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071105131555AAsdOAO
Also I like the use of the T... I will do that to the end of my balling system to T all the tarces, and salt and "flush it" with the ATO to prevent buildup at the end of the lines
AQD_ottawa
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Yer that does not really help the argument Chris
refrigerator humidity can vary wildly. If left closed for an extended period, it can become rather dry (under 10%)since the air is being forced over a chilled coil causing moisture to condense and drip away. But open the door on a hot summer day and the humidity level will shoot up to near 100% almost instantly as the cool, dry air collides with the warm moinst air. Ever see the fog that rolls out of an open fridge or freezer? That's 100% relative humidity and indoor 'rain'. Remember; it's all "relative". 100% at 35 degrees is not more than 75% at 70 degrees.
Ok guys - listen please, could be/should be/maybe
GHL do not warranty any of the above or any combination, just so we are clear
Put a doser in the fridge and it bums out ya not covered no argument.
Knowing GHL's extreme quality and use of high grade parts, yes you could be fine, but in the instance IF it did fail my purpose is only to enlighten the limits of the warranty.
Yer yer I know Mr grump, party pooper call me what ya like
I think we are clear now
refrigerator humidity can vary wildly. If left closed for an extended period, it can become rather dry (under 10%)since the air is being forced over a chilled coil causing moisture to condense and drip away. But open the door on a hot summer day and the humidity level will shoot up to near 100% almost instantly as the cool, dry air collides with the warm moinst air. Ever see the fog that rolls out of an open fridge or freezer? That's 100% relative humidity and indoor 'rain'. Remember; it's all "relative". 100% at 35 degrees is not more than 75% at 70 degrees.
Ok guys - listen please, could be/should be/maybe
GHL do not warranty any of the above or any combination, just so we are clear
Put a doser in the fridge and it bums out ya not covered no argument.
Knowing GHL's extreme quality and use of high grade parts, yes you could be fine, but in the instance IF it did fail my purpose is only to enlighten the limits of the warranty.
Yer yer I know Mr grump, party pooper call me what ya like
I think we are clear now
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skibum9884
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I'll leave the issue of humidity in the fridge alone (especially as I know nothing about it).
Buttttt, as I've said before, this is a VERY cool idea! I wish GHL would develop their own product that would do something similar, but an all-in-one (warranted) product!
Buttttt, as I've said before, this is a VERY cool idea! I wish GHL would develop their own product that would do something similar, but an all-in-one (warranted) product!
AQD_ottawa
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The GHL feeding fridge
Never say never, but I think in this case...........
Never say never, but I think in this case...........
Aquabacs
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well you know what I am going to say..... Ok I wont say it..... but if it does..... then......
Ok cant help my self, party pooper hat on - this will invalidate the warranty - sorry, electonics and dampness, especially as high as that seriously dont mix, the dampness in cold air is far denser.
The reason your friends may not have failed is due to the fact they could be using a frost free fridge, as these pull moisture out of the unit, but even then that will only delay the certainty
The part I fear most is the rear board, the motors are copper/bronze and stainless, so I can send you a new rear board for $59 in readiness if you like
I am not saying its not a great idea but its at your risk
Michael I may hit you up for a board "just in case" and an additional doser for back up.
With doing this project I completely understand the risk in putting the doser inside the refrigerator and knowing well it would void any possible warrenty. That being said, the project has simplified a time consuming task I do daily and helped maintain the foods from spoiling.
Actually boboxx, I was going to joke around and throw a beer in the fridge and hook it up to the last pump to see what everyone would say. Last pump would be for self dosing while working on the tank :thumbsup:
Mike
AQD_ottawa
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The "oops I fried it please help" policy has been a huge welcome to many users.
This used to be a sticky not sure if its still there, but to re cap, if you fry your controller "by accident" (not forced miss use, which includes the above ), we will repair it at landed cost, we appreciate mistakes happen, floods, etc etc and why should we benefit from a persons miss fortune.
The policy is in place for the PCB's only
HOWEVER that does not mean common sense should be thrown out the window
This used to be a sticky not sure if its still there, but to re cap, if you fry your controller "by accident" (not forced miss use, which includes the above
), we will repair it at landed cost, we appreciate mistakes happen, floods, etc etc and why should we benefit from a persons miss fortune.The policy is in place for the PCB's only
HOWEVER that does not mean common sense should be thrown out the window
Aquabacs
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"Forced miss use"...come on Michael I am sure you can hook a guy up. Any sales of GHL doses set-up in the future for this intended purpose, you can send me the procedes. Actually, I would be interested if GHL would consider developing a housing for the doser for this intended purpose, including adding a ambient temperature and humidity sensor to it. Not just on this model but the stand alone as well. Send me over a PM if there is any future interest.
Michael Lukaczyn
I am sure you can hook a guy up. Any sales of GHL doses set-up in the future for this intended purpose, you can send me the procedes. Actually, I would be interested if GHL would consider developing a housing for the doser for this intended purpose, including adding a ambient temperature and humidity sensor to it. Not just on this model but the stand alone as well. Send me over a PM if there is any future interest.Michael Lukaczyn
dipan
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I've thought about doing something like this, except keeping the doser outside. Would be simple enough to drill eight small holes instead. But how does it work? Do you force water into the containers and allow the effluent to pass on to your system, or do you directly dose the stuff through the doser tubing? You could have issues with clogging, esp with bigger things like the Arctipods. Is it working well?
AQD_ottawa
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GHL already make an air/humidity sensor which you could put anywhere
Aquabacs
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@dipan, the issue with running the doser outside of the refrigerator is food spoiling within the lines since foods are always in the lines. The lines from the dosing pump go directly into a venturi valve. If you go to Glass Box Design site or into the non-photosynthetic forum (continuous dosing thread) you can see the evolution to the current design. The venturi was incorporated to prevent flooding if the line from the dosers were to come undone or ruptured with water pass through. Now, if the line comes undone it will only suck air, not make a mini-fountain and potentially drain my tank.
Michael I am well aware of the humidity sensor currently available and will have one ordered shortly (with a few other items for my P3). What I am more interested in is a sensor integrated to the doser itself. Actually it could be benificial for GHL for warrantee work on usage of the doser in high humidity areas. Alarm on doser could go off if the unit is kept in an area with high humidity and perminately stored on the unit itself. I will sent up a thread on the GHL forum and shoot over an email regarding the R and D of future product features.
Michael I am well aware of the humidity sensor currently available and will have one ordered shortly (with a few other items for my P3). What I am more interested in is a sensor integrated to the doser itself. Actually it could be benificial for GHL for warrantee work on usage of the doser in high humidity areas. Alarm on doser could go off if the unit is kept in an area with high humidity and perminately stored on the unit itself. I will sent up a thread on the GHL forum and shoot over an email regarding the R and D of future product features.
Not to derail this fascinating warranty discussion, but my problem with a design such as this has always been that given the relatively low flow rates of dosing, the liquids being dosed will remain in the dosing tube (outside the fridge but before entering the water) for a significant amount of time - the longer the tubing the longer the time. Any thoughts on how to keep the food from spoiling while sitting in the tubes?
Aquabacs
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@hlsooner that is why the entire system is inside the refrigerator versus having the unit outside. The flow through the refrigerator is around 600 or so gph and once it hits the venturi it is directly into the water column. If you have the room to play with you can set up a system with additional 3-way solinoid valves to do a saltwater flush through the lines.
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