Gigantea deflated after cypro treatment

[beuchat]

Hi,

I bought a green gigantea some weeks ago, after two days in the DT I had to remove for cypro treatment

At the beginning of treatment:



At the end of treatment:



Back to DT:



But after two days it started to deflate and it has been deflated for two weeks with some periods of two or three hours per day when it was OK

I thought it was going to die so I was waiting to remove from the DT but now it is in a "coma mode". It does not die but it does not inflate any more. 14 days like that :sad2:

This are two photos at just now:






I have installed a UV stirilizer in order to decrease the bacteria concentration in the tank, but I do not know if this has anything to do with the nem´s health

Any ideas? proposals?

 

[m0nkie]

it looks like it's on the way out...

maybe your DT is not ready for a gig yet. what are your parameters and age of tank?

it didn't look all that healthy after your cipro treatment either

 

[beuchat]

Ca 410, KH 8, Mg 1310, NO3 0,0 PO4 0,03

Tank is 4 months old


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[CoralsAddiction]

It wasn't healthy at the end of treatment. It was probably too sick to start with and stronger bacteria was resistant to medication. You can try a stronger dose but it's probably too late.

 

[beuchat]

How long should the crypro treatment last?

How can I know when to stop the treatment and return to DT?

Thanks

 

[m0nkie]

usually I treat for 7 days. If all sick symptoms are gone, I like to keep the nem inside treatment tank for at least another 3 days. Sometimes I keep them inside for a week or two, just to see how they react. During that week, I would put tank water inside.

also possible your tank is not ready yet. 4 month old, started from scratch (dry rocks)?

 

[beuchat]

usually I treat for 7 days. If all sick symptoms are gone, I like to keep the nem inside treatment tank for at least another 3 days. Sometimes I keep them inside for a week or two, just to see how they react. During that week, I would put tank water inside.

also possible your tank is not ready yet. 4 month old, started from scratch (dry rocks)?

No, It was live rock

The treatment was for 7 days, maybe I should have done it longer

Maybe I can remove the nem and try now for another treatment...

It is a bit hard and time consuming...

 

[CoralsAddiction]

While the age of tank is important, in this case the nem looked unhappy after treatment and before hitting DT. Selecting a healthier anemone is the first step to success. Your gig looked very unhappy and far from healthy in the beginning of treatment. Better luck next time.

 

[beuchat]

Your gig looked very unhappy and far from healthy in the beginning of treatment. Better luck next time.

Do you mean that the treatment should be conducted even when the nem is healthy?

 

[D-Nak]

Do you mean that the treatment should be conducted even when the nem is healthy?

Unless the nem was from another reefers tank, the likelihood of it being healthy is minimal. The problem is that many newbies don't know the symptoms or don't see symptoms of a sick gig, and assume it's healthy because its inflated. For that reason, I suggest that all newbies should treat their newly acquired gigs with antibiotics. Furthermore, it doesn't appear that Cipro harms otherwise healthy nems, so there's no reason to not do it. Yes -- it's time consuming and uses a lot of water -- but the results are worth it.

 

[CoralsAddiction]

Do you mean that the treatment should be conducted even when the nem is healthy?

I mean that we have to do a better job selecting a healthier specimen when we have a chance. It's hard to do when supply is low, wysiwyg is unavailable or the desire of instant gratification takes over. I think what you meant by your question is whether or not we should treat new anemones...is that right? That answer mostly depends if you have other host anemones in the tank. If you don't then you can put a new nem in DT and see how it does. Otherwise, if we know for fact that an anemones is healthy then why treat it?

 

[beuchat]

Ok, maybe I am in time and still it is possible to recover it. What do you think? Thanks


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[CoralsAddiction]

Unless the nem was from another reefers tank, the likelihood of it being healthy is minimal.

Otherwise, if we know for fact that an anemones is healthy then why treat it?

Exactly what I was alluding to in my post. If it's healthy meaning it's established and has history in captivity.

 

[ThRoewer]

So far I found gigs the easiest to diagnose.
I usually leave the gig for at least a month in the treatment tank after the treatment is over, sometimes much longer.

And I will never again add any anemone to my DT without proper quarantine. I had skipped QT with some malu and crispa and it ended badly.

To me the case above looks like the pathogens may still have been in the tank and reinfected the anemone.

 

[beuchat]

So far I found gigs the easiest to diagnose.
I usually leave the gig for at least a month in the treatment tank after the treatment is over, sometimes much longer.

Then do you keep doing watrer changes in HT for more than a month? or after the treatment add a cycled biological filter to HT?

To me the case above looks like the pathogens may still have been in the tank and reinfected the anemone.

If that is the case then any new gigantea I will introduce will be infected

 

[beuchat]

I am thinking that if I remove the nem for treatment in HT maybe I can recover it healthy, but when taken back to DT it will be infected again. So maybe I can try to modify the present tank eviroment conditions in order for the nem to recover in DT.

I am surprissed that two weeks after the treatment and the nem looking bad it has not started tisue neceosis due to the bacteria

I added last week a UV stirilizer in order to reduce the pathogen concentration in DT water. I am thinking in using also ozone. Maybe That would be good for the nem


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[ThRoewer]

Then do you keep doing watrer changes in HT for more than a month? or after the treatment add a cycled biological filter to HT?

I usually add a skimmer right away at the beginning of the quarantine process or treatment - I don't think it is actually removing the cipro, but it definitely aids the wellbeing of the anemone by saturating the water with oxygen and removing possibly harmful things from the water (bacteria and protozoan can be skimmed off - carbon dosing makes use of that).
I also found that healthy gigs can handle quite yucky water. I kept one in a 10 gallon tank for almost a year with maybe monthly water changes. I usually changed the water when I saw that the gig didn't like it anymore.
That gig actually did better in the 10 gallon tank that in the 25 gallon reef tank I have it now in - it doesn't like the strong reef tank flow.

If that is the case then any new gigantea I will introduce will be infected

Not necessarily. But one or two weeks may not have been enough to let the pathogen die off.

 

[beuchat]

Hi ThRoewer, thanks for the answers

I usually add a skimmer right away at the beginning of the quarantine process or treatment - I don't think it is actually removing the cipro, but it definitely aids the wellbeing of the anemone by saturating the water with oxygen and removing possibly harmful things from the water (bacteria and protozoan can be skimmed off - carbon dosing makes use of that).

So how often do you perform water changes during treatment?

What do you mean with carbon dosing related to gigantea treatment?

I also found that healthy gigs can handle quite yucky water. I kept one in a 10 gallon tank for almost a year with maybe monthly water changes. I usually changed the water when I saw that the gig didn't like it anymore.
That gig actually did better in the 10 gallon tank that in the 25 gallon reef tank I have it now in - it doesn't like the strong reef tank flow.

So the gigantea is living in a 10 gallon tank without biological filter?

 

[ThRoewer]

Hi ThRoewer, thanks for the answers

So how often do you perform water changes during treatment?

What do you mean with carbon dosing related to gigantea treatment?

During treatment I do daily 50% to 100% water changes, depending on the condition of the anemone and the water.

Carbon dosing has nothing to do with gigantea treatment - I mentioned it just to show that a skimmer can remove bacteria from the water.

So the gigantea is living in a 10 gallon tank without biological filter?

None of my tanks have filters - only live rock and some coarse coral gravel.