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***...im so ready to give up on aquariums..im sitting here looking at my tank and i realize i dont see my eel, tang, or my hawkfish...eel is understandable as hes small and is hard to find..then a see a yellow tail in the rocks and i find this


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he was fine last night...eating an all....*** is wrong here...this is a complete load of crap....its weird to cause he was like stuckbetween two rocks...this is my 5th fricken fish i lost...hawkfish still mia, so is eel
 
:'( Sucks man. Don't give up. Idk what's goin on with your tank though. Hopefully you will get some feedback or maybe Joe can come check it out...
 
hawkish confirmed dead completely opostite side dead stuck between the rock half in the sand


so mantis? what else? help me plz im about to run all my rocks with selzter water
 
It looks like the fish went through an overflow and then the return pump... hes in pretty rough shape. If it was a mantis you would see puncture holes in the fish... plus it would take a pretty large mantis to take down a tang... most of the time they go for smaller stuff such as clowns or damsels... I really dont know what it could be, just that its most likley not a mantis.
 
well i just took out every single piece (except for the one that me fricken eel wouldnt get out of) and rinsed it with club soda...nothin....idk what to do...what would cause both of em to die ...and there is no way they could of went through the overflow as one i have eggcrate on top and also a piece of plexi glass over the overflow and even more yet i have a bag over the return line so the eel dont swim in it
 
people on another fish forum i frequently visit keep telling me disease it cant be a mantis blah blah blah ...so wat disease kills fish overnight...two at that n kills every fish i have ever had except for my fricken wrasse (who i cant find by the way i hope i didnt like squash him while i was putting the rock back in...it was so cloudy i couldnt see him)
 
Well, as much as it pains me, what are your water parameters? I guess if there's no other explanation, we should start there. What have you tested for recently? I know you said your 'trates were at 5ppm, how about pH? Maybe test for ammonia, to be sure? I think that stray current or something along those lines would affect your snails before your fish. Have you considered the wrasse as a suspect? How large is it now? Unlikely, but at this point, ???

LMK If you need any of the tests.

Joe
 
There are a lot of bacterial and parasitic things that could kill overnight.
Some questions??? Did you do regular water changes between 1-26 and yesterday? How deep is your sand bed? Did you stir the sand bed to stir up the diatom bloom to remove through skimming? Was there any maintenance done to the tank within 30 hours of you finding the fish? What was the temp of the water? (It was cold last 2 days) And lastly why club soda? If you did a water change recently I want to change my answer but for now I say ammonia.

Of course if you add few things that have happened recently to this tank. My best guess is an ammonia spike.

See there was all this excess food and nitrates and such in the water that was not being exported. It had an outlet aka hair algae but you cleaned this off the rocks because it was unsightly. I think it was Jon who said fix the problem then the algae will remove itself. The hair algae was removing enough of the excess nutrients from the tank that there was a sort of balance. It was by no means pretty (Hair algae) but it removed the nitrates. When you killed all that hair algae the nutrients were still building in the water and as the remaining hair algae died it released more nutrients into the water. On 1-26 you scraped the algae and 2-13 you started to have a large diatom bloom. Might be connected.

FWIW
Club Soda acording to Wilki:
also known as sparkling water, fizzy water, soda water, club soda, seltzer water, or pop water is plain water into which carbon dioxide gas has been dissolved, and is the major and defining component of most "soft drinks". The process of dissolving carbon dioxide gas is called carbonation. It results in the formation of carbonic acid (which has the chemical formula H2CO3). Carbonated water, sodium bicarbonate and salt.

In the past, soda water was produced in the home by "charging" a refillable seltzer bottle by filling it with water and then adding carbon dioxide. Club soda may be identical to plain carbonated water or it may contain a small amount of table salt, sodium citrate, sodium bicarbonate, potassium bicarbonate, potassium sulfate, or disodium phosphate, depending on the bottler
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I'm no expert but I wouldn't use this, use plain vinegar and water then wash with clean water till the smell of the vinegar is gone. I give a quick soak in a little ro to give a final cleaning.
 
Yellow tangs look like that as do most fish. They start to turn black lose the vibrant colors. I don't think he was sick I say he died pretty quick. Either recent water change that was not correct or ammonia.
 
Club soda to extract a mantis, if applicable. Gorrilla crabs, mantis shrimp, and the like can be prodded from their rocks with this technique. You don't dunk the rocks, just pour a little into the suspected burrow. I wouldn't do it to all your rocks, just any that you may suspect house hitchikers
 
oh crap...i either have pristine fricken water...possible but idk...or my tests are messed up...i have 0 ammonia...8.4ph....0 ites and like .2 ates....no way is that possible...is it?

edit ~.5 (it got a little darker)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11842297#post11842297 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jocephus
Well, as much as it pains me, what are your water parameters? I guess if there's no other explanation, we should start there. What have you tested for recently? I know you said your 'trates were at 5ppm, how about pH? Maybe test for ammonia, to be sure? I think that stray current or something along those lines would affect your snails before your fish. Have you considered the wrasse as a suspect? How large is it now? Unlikely, but at this point, ???

LMK If you need any of the tests.

Joe
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he dosent look ne bigger then he did when i first got him
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11842433#post11842433 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jocephus
I wouldn't do it to all your rocks, just any that you may suspect house hitchikers
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ooopppsss :eek1:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11842371#post11842371 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by a1amap
Yellow tangs look like that as do most fish. They start to turn black lose the vibrant colors. I don't think he was sick I say he died pretty quick. Either recent water change that was not correct or ammonia.
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no recent water change i was waiting for my 125 and he always gets dark like that at night....i thought it was crazy the first night but during the day he turned bright yellow again

Did you do regular water changes between 1-26 and yesterday?
no i was going to
How deep is your sand bed?
like not even 2inches

Did you stir the sand bed to stir up the diatom bloom to remove through skimming?
no just koralias moving it
Was there any maintenance done to the tank within 30 hours of you finding the fish?
oh crap....i added the koralias...that wastheonly difference...could they ahve leached something?
What was the temp of the water?
like 80 (its warm in my room)
And lastly why club soda?
joe told me 2 lol...no i read it online




srry for all the posts
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11842796#post11842796 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by emonemo420
oh crap....i added the koralias...that wastheonly difference...could they ahve leached something?
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If your flow pattern changed, it's possible that you kicked up some long buried crud in your liverock, and that caused an ammonia spike. But I have to believe it would show SOMETHING today. As far as them leaching, it's a longshot, but who knows at this point!
 
actually its fat people papertowels...there is like ice cream and cake and crap and sayings like "more please"...thanks for ur concern
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11842882#post11842882 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jocephus
If your flow pattern changed, it's possible that you kicked up some long buried crud in your liverock, and that caused an ammonia spike. But I have to believe it would show SOMETHING today. As far as them leaching, it's a longshot, but who knows at this point!
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ill sue and get millions!! HAHAHAH
 
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