Green Hair will not go away!

t5Nitro

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I've been struggling for months and months trying to get rid of the green hair algae that began to grow. It takes over everything. Grows on corals etc. Anyone have any ideas what to do to get rid of it? My new plan is just water repeated water changes and see if that does anything. That about all you can do?
 
You need to approach your algae problems as a phosphate problem
Here is a post from a thread on fighting algae

vCapn's collection of shock and awe against algae
Most of the time algae is the symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.
Algae needs three things for the process of photosythesis to occur--carbon dioxide, light and food. If we could completely remove one of these elements it would not be able to survive.
Unfortunately in our reef tanks it is difficult to remove light and carbon dioxide completely but we can sereverly limit its food, mainly nitrates and phosphates.

If you have an algae problem then it should be approached in a way that limits the nitrates and phosphates in your water column

This is a combination of steps and practises rather then one magic bullet that will kill off all the algae in your tank.

Here is a list of practises that have been mentioned through a great number of posts that I have been proactive in and hopefully if they are together they might help

1. Feeding techniques----always feed less at one time but feed more often if the species of fish requires it. My fish always look hungry and so does my dog--they learn how to scam us humans very quickly.
Rinse off frozen prepared foods like brine shrimp and mysis shrimp. Quite often they contain phosphates and nitrates from die off in their holding tanks.

2. Flow rates and directions of flow can make a big difference
A rate that is quoted here quite often is that you should have between 20-40 times your tank volume in gph if your tank is mostly lps and even greater if mainly sps corals. There are still some expections with lps corals--you need to be on top of the husbandry requirements for each coral you have and place them accordingly.

Organic laden water slowly rises from the bottom of the tank to the top where it is skimmed off by various methods such as an overflow. Skimmed water is usually sent back to lower levels of the tank from the skimmer or sump via various ways such as loc lines.

In practical words this means that in the tank your flow should be directed to always enhance the above natural flow in the tank.
It should for a circle or semi circle and be pushed down, across the substrate up to the surface--across the surface--churning it up and towards the overflow

3.flow rates in the sump
The perfered answer for this question is between 5-10 times the total volume of your water column.
More importantly it should match the flow rate of your skimmer.
Otherwise unskimmed organic laden water is returned to the lower levels of the tank where it has to slowly make its way to the top like I desribed in the above flow senerio. This gives algae a second chance to have another lunch
This is also where flow rates and directions in the tank also help in this particular situation by getting the water back up to the top and out the overflow faster again.

Flow rates both in the sump and the tank are very important in the filtering process

4.Method of cleaning or tank maintenance
water changes---Randy has written in one of his articles that the ideal water change to remove nitrates is 30 per cent once of month
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/rhf/index.php
other reefers have stated that immediate or every two week 20 percent water changes will reduce phosphates and ammonia quickly.

cleaning the rockwork and substrate--once a week take a turkey baster and lightly baste the rock and substrate with it. this will get dissolved organics, phosphates and nitrates back into the water column where they can be filtered off instead of collecting and adding to the algae smorgasboard. Once again flow is very important in this also.

change your protein skimmer cup every other day

if running a filter sock change it everyother day---soak it in bleach and run it through a wash cycle with no soap. Let them dry in the air and the clorine will evaporate

5. tweaking equipment. Try not to run bioballs in filters. Replace them and all filter media with nothing!
The best use of a canister filter is to run straight carbon in it.

take skimmer pumps apart once a month and clean out the air venturis--make sure you have lots of air being combined to give a good foam column. This helps reduce organics but it also helps displace carbon dioxide with oxygen and keep your pH stable.

Once you have your levels of phosphates and nitrates in check then you may want to consider


1. running carbon and phospban in phosban reactors. the advantage to these is the water is forced through the entire media and can't take the easy way around the outside as when the media is put in a bag. Carbon can adsorb some phosphates and nitrates and the carbon is used by active bacteria in the tank



2. setting up a refugium with chaeto algae. You will need a good size refugium 20-30 gals and about 2-3 months of intensive cheato grow for it to make a noticeble difference on phosphates and nitrates. and the other advantage of a refugium is you get a larger and more variety of copopods, other inverts and good bacteria for the water column



3. finding critters that eat algae. I leave this till the last because it is a problematic solution to algae. the critters don't always do what they are suppose to do. Putting some inverts in to eat a particular algae is great at the start but what do they feed on after they have eaten their specific food source.

4. another method that is cropping up alot more now is the use of magnesium. Magnesium should be at 1300ppm in a reef tank to support a level over 400ppm of calcium. some reefers have reported great success with cranking the level of magnesium to 1600 pppm for two weeks. the aglae dies off and none have reported any death to corals, inverts or fish.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1329802
 
Re: Green Hair will not go away!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13035071#post13035071 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by t5Nitro
I've been struggling for months and months trying to get rid of the green hair algae that began to grow. It takes over everything. Grows on corals etc. Anyone have any ideas what to do to get rid of it? My new plan is just water repeated water changes and see if that does anything. That about all you can do?

Here's a dumb question. Are you using tap water sometimes to top off even 1 or 2 times?
 
Re: Re: Green Hair will not go away!

Re: Re: Green Hair will not go away!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13035177#post13035177 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gohan23
Here's a dumb question. Are you using tap water sometimes to top off even 1 or 2 times?

I use an RO/DI purification unit, carbon, chaeto, euro skimmer, phosban media, and your obvious LR and LS.

I also seemed to have experienced a jump in nitrates. They are around 20ppm it appears to be currently. Maybe I am feeding too much lately? How much do you all feed your fish, and are you feeding every day or alternating days? Currently I am feeding every day. The food make-up per day consists of some formula 1 flake, formula 2 flake, and mysis shrimp. The flakes I feed roughly 3 small pinches (2 pinches 1 can - 1 of another) and the shrimp around 1/3 of a cube. Along with the 1/4 dollar size piece of nori per day as well. Recently I have began to alternate days on the shrimp.

Fish in the tank are 2 clowns, foxface, 2 tangs, mandarin.

Feeding too much? What should I change if so? I sort of wanted to keep feeding the same to try and fatten up the new kole tang. He is getting pretty thin around his eyes and throat area.
 
Re: Re: Re: Green Hair will not go away!

Re: Re: Re: Green Hair will not go away!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13035409#post13035409 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by t5Nitro
I use an RO/DI purification unit, carbon, chaeto, euro skimmer, phosban media, and your obvious LR and LS.

I also seemed to have experienced a jump in nitrates. They are around 20ppm it appears to be currently. Maybe I am feeding too much lately? How much do you all feed your fish, and are you feeding every day or alternating days? Currently I am feeding every day. The food make-up per day consists of some formula 1 flake, formula 2 flake, and mysis shrimp. The flakes I feed roughly 3 small pinches (2 pinches 1 can - 1 of another) and the shrimp around 1/3 of a cube. Along with the 1/4 dollar size piece of nori per day as well. Recently I have began to alternate days on the shrimp.

Fish in the tank are 2 clowns, foxface, 2 tangs, mandarin.

Feeding too much? What should I change if so? I sort of wanted to keep feeding the same to try and fatten up the new kole tang. He is getting pretty thin around his eyes and throat area.

I feed once a day as you do, flake, mysis and a meat mixture I made up myself with just about everything meat in it.
It is possible to introduce phosphates and nitrates by not rinsing off the frozen cubes prior to using. I rinse them in a small brine shrimp net with ro water.

BTW
A nitrate level of 20 is not that harmfull to fish
 
I know the trate level is not harmful, but the green hair algae is taking over all of my rocks and corals. It's one of those times when you say where is that line where you decide to pick out the really nasty rocks, scrub them, coral on or not, and just get rid of the stuff :lol: Do I want to do that? No. I don't rinse off the frozen food. I don't really have anything that fine grade to rinse shrimp in at the moment. I don't know why that would be causing everything though. I've never rinsed the frozen cubes the day I started the hobby 2 years ago.

Back in the day :rolleyes: my tanks had nitrates of 0ppm. So obviously this has to be causing it? I don't even know. Which is why I just changed filters in the RO/DI and am going to do quite a bit of water changing.
 
I've never rinsed the frozen cubes the day I started the hobby 2 years ago.

Well you should start now. Those thawed juices you are putting in your tank will do nothing to fatten up your tang and are great fertilizer. I have been rinsing frozen food for 40 years and have no hair algae. I also think you are feeding way too much for those few fish. The mandarin does not count as he will not eat that food. I would also stop changing water. Yes I know the 11,000 other people on the site will disagree with me but if you stop changing water the algae will exhaust the nitrates in a few days (if you rinse the food and feed much less)
When the algae starts dying, you need to siphon or pull it out.
Then look into testing your make up water. I know you use RO/DI but so do I and recently I lost most of my corals because zing orthophosphate from my water supply got through. RO/DIs are not infallable and you need to check the make up water for nutrients. You may need a new or different membrane or resins.
After you eliminate the algae and test the incoming water you can start changing water.
Algae is self limiting, if you stop feeding it, it will die as long as you remove the dead algae and it's associated nutrients.
Hair algae is the best eliminator of hair algae nutrients. I believe that you are adding nutrients by not rinsing food and possably your new water.
Just my opinion.
Good Luck.
Paul
 
I haven't changed the water in maybe 2.5-3 weeks because of that reason. New water adds excess nutrients, but it hasn't seemed to have helped the problem. I will wait it out on the water change for another week and cut down on feeding I guess. How much should I be feeding these fish, Paul B?
 
I suggest just removing some fish for the time being that way you don't have to feed the tank anything and let the algae work itself out like Paul has suggested. How long has this tank been setup?
 
That is not an option for me. They will have to stay where they are. The tank has been running for approx. 16 months now.
 
I would feed them either the third of a cube of "rinsed" mysis "or" the flakes. Not both on the same day.
I feed my tank a cube a day and not even every day and I have about 20 fish. Some of them lived almost 20 years so I know they won't starve.
You can thaw mysis in a net.
 
Some of the fish I own say they need to eat three times a day. Those include Anthias and A blue Spotted Jawfish. Is it ok to not feed them that much? Just wondering....
 
Re: Re: Re: Green Hair will not go away!

Re: Re: Re: Green Hair will not go away!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13035409#post13035409 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by t5Nitro
I use an RO/DI purification unit, carbon, chaeto, euro skimmer, phosban media, and your obvious LR and LS.

I also seemed to have experienced a jump in nitrates. They are around 20ppm it appears to be currently. Maybe I am feeding too much lately? How much do you all feed your fish, and are you feeding every day or alternating days? Currently I am feeding every day. The food make-up per day consists of some formula 1 flake, formula 2 flake, and mysis shrimp. The flakes I feed roughly 3 small pinches (2 pinches 1 can - 1 of another) and the shrimp around 1/3 of a cube. Along with the 1/4 dollar size piece of nori per day as well. Recently I have began to alternate days on the shrimp.

Fish in the tank are 2 clowns, foxface, 2 tangs, mandarin.

Feeding too much? What should I change if so? I sort of wanted to keep feeding the same to try and fatten up the new kole tang. He is getting pretty thin around his eyes and throat area.

Have you thought on a sea hair??
 
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