Greenbanded Goby (Elacatinus multifasciatus, Gobidion etc..) Breeding Log

Just got back from CO. Here's a rundown. I know that 10 basters (approx 30 oz.) of phytoplankton were added yesterday (Sunday); beyond that I'm not sure what if anything was done to the larvae yet....I'll have to get a full rundown from my buddy.

The tank was CRYSTAL clear and there are virtually NO rotifers to boot! There are maybe 10 larvae alive, no bodies anywhere to be found. The larvae that remain look VERY strong and healthy and BIG, I think much larger than even the one I had go 17 days last time around. Maybe I'll get lucky?

I'm harvesting out some L-Strain Rotifers for enrichment with selcon, and about an hour ago I added in 10 more basters of "phyto mix" to put some color back into the water for now. That about sums it up!

Matt
 
Well, 24 basters worth of L-Strain and copepods harvested a couple hours ago and "enriched" went in as a late night snake...another 18 basters worth were harvested and are going to be enriched overnight for addition tomorrow. Looks like enriching at least a portion of the feeds may have helped this time around!

Matt
 
How do you do that selcon enrichment? Does the oil gunk up your rotifer sieve? How fast to rotifers take up the selcon. They are stuffed with phyto by 15 to 20 minutes in my hands. Does selcon take longer?
 
Kathy, I added in another batch of selcon-enriched rotifers this morning.

Basically, I seive the rotifers and then put them into a small jar with a bit of water. 1-2 drops of Selcon goes in, and when the water is pretty clear I simply dump them into the tank....hasn't caused any problems that I'm aware of. I don't know that the selcon takes any longer, but most suggestions for enriching rotifers with that type of stuff suggest 4-6 hours up to 12 hours.

Matt
 
AT 7:00 this evening I drained out 3+ gallons of water and added in 10 basters of the mandarin mix....so far things look good for the remaining larvae.

I've started on another removal of water, enriching some rotifers etc....I want to get these guys through settlement!!!!

Matt
 
Back to the Gobies...last night, around 1:00 AM, I added the enriched rotifers. This evening around 10:30 PM the gobies got 1 gallon of newly mixed water and some "straight" rotifers, about 12 basters worth (seived of course) which were probably highly enriched with phytoplankton. Another 12 basters worth went under selcon enrichment an hour ago and will be fed either later tonight or tomorrow morning.

The last headcount was 7, and the largest is probably 1 CM long at this point!

Matt
 
Kathy, these remaining 7 hatched on 8-25, so they are 3-4 hours shy of 13 days now. I've seen some conflicting information on settlement for this species...RTC points to around 30 days, but most other sources suggest it's a 50-60 day timespan before settlement. At this point they have fully developed tails, dorsal, anal and pectoral fins and SEEM bigger than any of the ones from my prior batch, so I have more confidence in these. The big difference is that I've been enriching more.

While I was gone we obviously lost most of the batch, probably around days 7-10, so I'm not sure what happened there (but I DO know that no Selcon enriched feeds were given during that time). If I get these through, I'll probably do at least one more batch before attempting the next species again, maybe the A. leptacanthus. I'm not sure on the mandarins just yet - still need to work on a hatching method that actually "works" before I feel confident enough to try raising them.

Matt
 
Matt,just a suggestion.It would help readers if you give the age of the larvae in every post of your breeding logs.You could start with "X dah"and then tell what´s new.Hope you don´t dislike suggestions!;)
 
mine settle at day 26 to 30 at 82 deg. by that I mean they go from the water column to the glass walls.

Ed
 
Hi Matt, I raised a large number of greenband gobies, (we called them Christmas gobies because of the red and green coloration) back when we were doing neon gobies. I first reared them when we were located in Marathon in the 70s and than again in the 80s when we were on Walker's Cay in the Bahamas. We could collect them right on the rocky shore of the Cay. The north west shore was steep and rocky with many sharp depression carved out of the hard limestone by the rock boring sea urchins, Echinometra virdis. And in each urchin depression, usually occupied by an urchin, there would be one or two of the green banded gobies. They were very difficult to collect because the urchins were so strongly attached to their little cup in the rock that one needed a crowbar to get them out, and then of course, the goby was long gone. So we did collect them with a bit of quindline that stuned them and allowed us to quickly net them. But I digress. We found them more difficult to rear than the neon gobies, mostly because the larvae were somewhat smaller and needed a food organism just slightly smaller than the normal adult size of the rotifer that we fed to the neons. There were two ways to get around this, 1. feed a lot of rotifers along with micro algae so that a culture of rotifers was established in the rearing tank, which allowed the larval greenbands to find the smallest new hatch rotifers, and 2 sieve collected rotifers through, and I forget if we used 53 or 80 micron cloth, to separate the smaller ones and then feed these often. Both methods had their good and bad points. Eventually we stopped rearing this species because the market demand was not there at that time, and it was difficult to get the Bahamain workers to take the necessary care of the cultures that was needed to rear them. The larval period of the greenbands was also longer than that of the neons, which also added to the difficulty of rearing them. But they are neat little gobies and certainly worth the extra trouble it takes to rear them, and now with ss strain of rotifers, it may not be as difficult.

We hatched them the same way we hatched the neons, recorded the day of spawn, kept them in a bare tank with only a clam shell or piece of pvc pipe so we could see the spawn when it occurred, and then, as I recall, they had an 8 day incubation time, but I could be wrong on that, hatched them on the day of hatch by removing the spawn, setting it up in fairly bright lighting in a deep dish under water, and slightly stroking the nest with a long strong feather, usually a sea gull feather. The aggatation caused the eggs to hatch and if they were ready, they hatched off like popcorn. Then the hatched larvae were placed in the larval tank and the clam shell returned to the spawning pair.

Martin
 
13.5 days ;) - Martin, thanks for all that really interesting information!!! Ed, cool to know. FB has them showing color at day 30...not sure that's going to be the case with mine (at 80F).

So, the update....8 basters of phytomix when in this evening, and I'm currently enriching 76 oz. of seived L Rotifers, plus 1 L of seived SS strain (I'm having to "recharge my SS cultures, so I'm feeding some off to rebloom them). They'll probably go into the tank around 12:00 AM to 2:00 AM, whenever I feel they're ready (or I go to bed). I only took a quick look - have been busy working OUT of home for a change, so they're not getting the attention I'd normally allot!

That's the news from Lake Wobegon

MP
 
One more quick update this evening. I only counted 5 larvae remaining and did find a couple bodies on the bottom, so we lost a couple. 3/4 gallon of freshly mixed water was just added. The rotifers I had set aside for enrichment had pretty much cleared 2 drops of selcon in an hour, so they went in around 11:00 PM.

I set up the brine hatcher with some decapsulated eggs from SeahorseSource.com - 1/8th tsp seems like PLENTY of nauplii for 5 baby GBG's....if they're even ready to eat them yet!

I'd like to just have no more losses, but it's starting to look like things are going like my last batch...grr...

Matt
 
OK, this afternoon another clean gallon went into the tank, and another good sized batch of L-Strain rotifers and misc. copepods were enriched with Selcon and added. My last headcount was at 4 larvae for sure.

Matt
 
Still four larvae now at 14.5 days, but we'll soon be down to 3. One of the remaining larvae has developed a very large gas bubble in it's abdomen and is stuck floating at the surface upsidedown, struggling and pretty much unable to feed.

I added in maybe 100 brine nauplii this evening, initially the 3 healthy larvae showed now interest. None-the-less I'm hatching larger offering for tomorrow night...we'll see how it goes.

BTW, earlier this evening 50+ mandarin larvae were added to the tank...the Rusty Goby larvae from the night before have all disappeared.

One more BTW, I'm expecting another GBG hatch tomorrow...they'll probably go by the wayside as Renee's folks are in town...not sure I'm going to have the time to collect the larvae and dump them in the larval tank; then again it probably can't hurt at this point!

FWIW,

Matt
 
OK, so the larval tank is going strong...I still have 4 GBG larvae and it's now 15.5 days (right?). I added in 10 basters of phytoplankton (40% T-Iso, 40% Tetraselmis, 20% Nannochloropsis) and a couple thousand newly hatched brine shrimp nauplii (hereafter Baby Brine Shrimp or BBS since most of us know what it is). The floating one from my prior headcount was dead, which means that I missed one earlier on as we still have 4 viable larvae this evening.

So far there's been NO hatch on the GBG's...although they look darn near ready. They'll probably hatch tonight or early tomorrow morning (Which I won't be around for) - no worries; hopefully by the next hatch or two the remaining GBG larvae will be large enough to occupy a net breeder or something for their remaining growout.

I'm going to enrich some L and SS-Strain rotifers this evening and add them in as well...probably later tonight but possibly first thing in the morning.

FWIW,

Matt
 
If my math is right we're at 16.5 days or so...

Another 10 basters of phytoplankton was added this evening - my best headcount was 2 healthy, and 1 with a large gas bubble in the abdomen (OK, so this has happened AGAIN? Not sure why at this time, but I first noticed it when I started to feed BBS).

We had a GBG hatch sometime today...I came home around 5:00 PM to find only 4 GBG larvae still in the tank DESPITE having left the Metal Halide lighting off (hoping it might postpone the hatch). So this batch is a bust, and if the timing ends up correct, our next hatch will be on a Monday (which is when I'm usually at the office), so it will be 2 weeks before I'm around to collect my next batch of larvae (unless I build a larval collector in the time between).

I'm just waiting and watching at this point.

Matt
 
Have Kathy´s larval collector a try ! It deffinetly has worked with clowns and can be of help to GBGs.
Anderson.
 
I have a few designs going around in my head, but the big problems are:

1. Main Tank Water Current - it's pretty strong with both the standard NC24 water pump PLUS a UV sterilizer pump.

2. Predation - The tankmates may STILL make short work of most of the larvae before they ever have a chance to find the larval collector.

I have a week to come up with something, or I'll have to wait until hatching dates start falling on days I work at home again. The advantages of being around are that all the cardinalfish hide in the rockwork while I'm collecting, and I can have the pumps turned off for the hour or so it takes to collect...really handles those aforementioned problems!

ONE of the things I'm toying with is that I have some 300 micron material that I may try placing in the overflow chamber...this may be enough to catch any larvae that make it past the predators in the tank, as long as they don't get stuck against the filter material and crushed by the water flow....I could then just collect them from the overflow chamber :)

- One more larval tank update - I siphoned the bottom and removed 2 gallons of tank water; current volume is about 6 gallons. More phyto will go in tomorrow AM, perhaps along with some enriched rotifers, and tomorrow night I may have the opportunity to "finish" the water change with a gallon or two of fresh water.

Matt
 
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