Guess the Phosphate level

reefmutt said:
Thanks. Yes, it seems to me that sps in particular are sensitive to those shifts. In my experience, they seem to be more stressed by the drops in p than increase but clearly each shift requires an adaptation by the coral.
Sorry Rich, I'm sure you won't mind a tiny chemistry lesson deviation in your thread.. :)
Tom, would you tell me what ATP stands for and what protein phosphorylation is, please?
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My corals suffered terribly when my PO4 zeroed! They turn pale, STN from tips, just stopped growing too.

If I had not been monitoring as well as I do I would have completely missed it! I added some Seachem Florish Phosphorus and now it's about .08 and things are doing much better. It will take time but I expect a full recovery.


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Update

03-17-2017 Ammonia (NH3-4) Good 0 0.000 - 0.050 mg/L
03-17-2017 Nitrite (NO2) Good 0.006 0.000 - 0.100 mg/L
03-17-2017 Phosphate (PO4) High 1.77 0.000 - 0.250 mg/L
03-17-2017 Nitrate (NO3) High 41 0.000 - 25.000 mg/L
03-17-2017 Silica (Sio2-3) High 1.2 0.000 - 0.500 mg/L
03-17-2017 Potassium (K) Good 409 350.000 - 450.000 mg/L
03-17-2017 Ionic Calcium (Ca) Good 128 100.000 - 400.000 mg/L
03-17-2017 Boron (B) NA NA 3.000 - 6.000 mg/L
03-17-2017 Molybdenum (Mo) Good 0.1 0.000 - 0.300 mg/L
03-17-2017 Strontium (Sr) Good 7.3 5.000 - 12.000 mg/L
03-17-2017 Magnesium (Mg) Good 1360 1100.000 - 1400.000 mg/L
03-17-2017 Iodine (I) Good 0.03 0.030 - 0.090 mg/L
03-17-2017 Copper (Cu) Good 0.04 0.000 - 0.100 mg/L
03-17-2017 Alkalinity (meq/L) Good 3.1 2.500 - 5.000 meq/L
03-17-2017 Total Calcium (Ca) Good 430 350.000 - 450.000 mg/L
03-17-2017 Iron (Fe) NA NA 0.000 - 0.010 mg/L


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Agreed, I love how the candy canes are all mixed up, that looks great. I would love to see some top downs if you could take a few.
 
tmz said:
Nice explanation Acronic.

In calcification the ATP provides energy to transfer calcium taken up by coral polyps to the calcioblastic fluid( extracytoplasmic calcifying fluid/ECF) from which the calcium carbonate skeletal matrix is formed.

As I understand it ,protein phosphorylation and dephosphorylation are ezymatic activities that ,respectively, add and subtract charged additions including phosphate to amino acids which help organisms adjust to changing conditions and to modifiy amino acids and protein chains. Someone else may chime in and be able to offer a clearer explanation.
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I think that's a good explanation. Essentially it can activate and deactivate proteins including enzymes regulating them for normal activity or a change in conditions.

bif24701 said:
My corals suffered terribly when my PO4 zeroed! They turn pale, STN from tips, just stopped growing too.

If I had not been monitoring as well as I do I would have completely missed it! I added some Seachem Florish Phosphorus and now it's about .08 and things are doing much better. It will take time but I expect a full recovery.


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Glad to see someone else is using Seachem Flourish Phosphorus. I may be suffering from low PO4 in one of my tanks and have a bottle on the way. What made you choose .08 as your set point and what did you test at before dosing?
 
bif24701 said:
My corals suffered terribly when my PO4 zeroed! They turn pale, STN from tips, just stopped growing too.

If I had not been monitoring as well as I do I would have completely missed it! I added some Seachem Florish Phosphorus and now it's about .08 and things are doing much better. It will take time but I expect a full recovery.


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drawman said:
using Seachem Flourish Phosphorus. I may be suffering from low PO4 in one of my tanks and have a bottle on the way. What made you choose .08 as your set point and what did you test at before dosing?
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What's the advantage in doing it like this instead of just feeding your fish more?
 
bif24701 said:
Control.


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Let me explain a little better. Rather than sump a lot of food in my system that truly needed I can add a few drops of the product to bring the levels to where I need them. I have a very hard time brining PO4 or NO3 up or down with feeding. My filtration is effective and I also have added Potassium Nitrate to bring up my nitrate.


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Beautiful tank, awesome femininus. Always wonderful to learn that all the rules we play by may not be the best set of rules to go by.
 
I started reading this thread 2-3 hours ago and wow what a thread its been.. Thales, thank you so much for the time and wisdom you have put in this thread, truly impressive on every level. I can honestly say I have learned much and yet still don't know **** LOL.. In all seriousness though Thank you and the countless others who have stopped and made me think or in some cases rethink :)
 
victorcan said:
I started reading this thread 2-3 hours ago and wow what a thread its been.. Thales, thank you so much for the time and wisdom you have put in this thread, truly impressive on every level. I can honestly say I have learned much and yet still don't know **** LOL.. In all seriousness though Thank you and the countless others who have stopped and made me think or in some cases rethink :)
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Thanks!
 
bif24701 said:
Let me explain a little better. Rather than sump a lot of food in my system that truly needed I can add a few drops of the product to bring the levels to where I need them. I have a very hard time brining PO4 or NO3 up or down with feeding. My filtration is effective and I also have added Potassium Nitrate to bring up my nitrate.


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I can see that. My system needs the food.
 
Thales said:
I can see that. My system needs the food.
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Food is good, my system needs a lot of food two. I've considered removing filter socks and carbon for a while. Maybe shutting down the skimmer a few hours.


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Thales said:
I am not a fan of filter socks - unless you clean them every day and I don't want to do that. :D
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I have a bunch I change out everyday or 2 enough for 2-3 weeks then I just throw them in the wash. In my system they prevent micro bubbles but also prevent food from passing around the system.


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Here is an update video - I don't know to make a fb video show up here
https://www.facebook.com/richard.ross.102/videos/10210443412145547/

Water test results 10/11/17

Ammonia (NH3-4) 0
Nitrite (NO2) 0.006
Phosphate (PO4) 1.89
Nitrate (NO3) 47
Silica (Sio2-3) 0.9
Potassium (K) 442
Ionic Calcium (Ca) 134
Boron (B) NA
Molybdenum (Mo) 0.3
Strontium (Sr) 7.8
Magnesium (Mg) 1460
Iodine (I) 0.02
Copper (Cu) 0.04
Alkalinity (meq/L) 3.7
Total Calcium (Ca) 430
Iron (Fe) NA
 
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