H&S vs Bubble King Mini

I have had the chance to play with a Mini BK and I was not impressed ,given its a sharp looking skimmer with good craftsmanship.When I sold my H&S A300,I was going to use the money and buy a BK Mini ,But I decided to go with the H&S A250 instead dont regret it one bit.

As for Deltec well its definetly not a well constructed product when it comes to material used ,the BK and H&S wins hands down here.

So I would recommend the H&S model over the others with there proven track record and fair prices.
 
First, thanks for Hiepatitas for letting me lead their thread a bit off topic.

Lumamae-Thank you. I did not know I could purchase an external skimmer and run it in my sump. Would the external H & S run in the sump be better than their in sump skimmer?

DeltecRules-Yes, I just sold my two MCE600's. I was wondering about the Deltec APF600 vs. the H&S A200-1260 that I see in your profile.

Ok, it seems an external skimmer placed in my sump is the way to go. I will call K & M next week.

Thanks to everyone,
Joyce
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11207445#post11207445 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Macimage
Ooops, sorry about that Reef Sponger.

So, the recirculating are only available as external skimmers? I installed a large sump under the stand and now I really don't have room for an external skimmer. I'd like the most efficient in sump setup.

There have been so many advancements in the past fews years since I set up my last reef tank that it's a bit confusing.

Thanks again,
Joyce
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Most recirculating can be run insump.
 
I recently bought a H&S 250x2 1260s, I love it. never ran the BK but this one is great. I was leaning toward a deltec, but after talking to some guys in teh reef club they steered me toward the H&S...

a truly great skimmer
 
Just to add, I love both of the skimmer brands. They perform top notch. I will say this, people keep claiming H&S are built better than Deltecs but thats not true. They are made out of the same material and Deltecs are not FLIMSY made. I banged and dropped both of my deltec skimmers while doing routine cleaning and I never seen any cracks or damage from either.

Deltec charges more for there pumps to protect against DIY'ers who want to use their pumps on there own skimmer bodies. Deltecs pumps are also supposedly modified beyond what H&S does to there pumps. Another difference is that Deltecs pumps are lower on skimmer body than H&S places their pumps. But they both draw the same air. I have owned two aquabee 2000 powered skimmers and never had any problems at all. The APF600 is running great without any problems at all either.

They produce the same air and lots of nasty nog. You will be happy with either of them.

Price difference between both single eheim models
H&S A200-1260 runs $1299
Deltec AP851 runs $1190

Take your pick!!

:D
 
Even with H&S a little bit more than the Deltec, I think they're worth it. I have a Bubblemaster on a 90g right now and it's great. I gave up the A150 because of pricing. Now, looking at the A200, I see more than $100 value over the Deltec.

First, no, Deltec and H&S are not built the same quality, Deltec definitely uses thinner acrylic and there's stretch lines in their acrylic fabrication. Also, Deltec glues all their joints and H&S welds them. Take a look at the A150 compared to the APF600, H&S has the extra support bands as well as a counterbalance support at the base. The APF600 doesn't have any. The main stress points of the H&S skimmer is well supported, even though it probably doesn't even need it. So, classifying the 2 in the same category in terms of quality construction would be a joke.

Second, that is BS about Deltec pumps being so super expensive to discourage DIYers. If that was true, why doesn't DeltecUSA give a break to the owners who end up with a broken or defective pump after the warranty period? Couldn't they sell one a 1/2 price if a legitimate owner traded in their broken pump as proof of purchase? Let's call a dog a dog and a cat a cat when we see it, DeltecUSA is out to make as much money as they can. In fact, my Asian friends overseas tell me their prices on Deltec is about 35% less than USA prices, too bad we couldn't get an Asian Deltec skimmer to work properly here without burning out the pumps. H&S is Asia is much more expensive than Deltec, so for the little difference in price on the H&S A200, I think it's worth it if that's your budget for this skimmer.

OK, off my soapbox and I'm going to unsubscribe as I know how these discussions can get.
 
Deltec also uses a smaller neck on their single 1260 based skimmer. I believe it is 3.5" Vs 4"?? of the H&S and 4.5" of the Euro-Reef RS250. The smaller neck would make it skim wetter than the others.
 
And the smaller neck would also let it skim better on smaller tanks.

Also the single 1260 only pulls under 1000lph so a 3.5" is all you need.
 
Deltecs tend to run too wet with the air all the way open. They run better with the air closed off @ 1:00 - 2:00. It would seem a bigger neck like the other mfgrs use would allow more air. H&S and ER apparently dont feel a 3.5" neck is sufficient for the amount of air a 1260 outputs. Yes, the smaller neck would be better on a small tank, or light bioload.

Obviously, a variation in design philosophy. Pump lower on the body, smaller neck than the H&S, but both skimmers do their job and do it well. There is more than one way to design something and have it function well.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11208371#post11208371 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CruzinKim
Even with H&S a little bit more than the Deltec, I think they're worth it. I have a Bubblemaster on a 90g right now and it's great. I gave up the A150 because of pricing. Now, looking at the A200, I see more than $100 value over the Deltec.

First, no, Deltec and H&S are not built the same quality, Deltec definitely uses thinner acrylic and there's stretch lines in their acrylic fabrication. Also, Deltec glues all their joints and H&S welds them. Take a look at the A150 compared to the APF600, H&S has the extra support bands as well as a counterbalance support at the base. The APF600 doesn't have any. The main stress points of the H&S skimmer is well supported, even though it probably doesn't even need it. So, classifying the 2 in the same category in terms of quality construction would be a joke.

Second, that is BS about Deltec pumps being so super expensive to discourage DIYers. If that was true, why doesn't DeltecUSA give a break to the owners who end up with a broken or defective pump after the warranty period? Couldn't they sell one a 1/2 price if a legitimate owner traded in their broken pump as proof of purchase? Let's call a dog a dog and a cat a cat when we see it, DeltecUSA is out to make as much money as they can. In fact, my Asian friends overseas tell me their prices on Deltec is about 35% less than USA prices, too bad we couldn't get an Asian Deltec skimmer to work properly here without burning out the pumps. H&S is Asia is much more expensive than Deltec, so for the little difference in price on the H&S A200, I think it's worth it if that's your budget for this skimmer.

OK, off my soapbox and I'm going to unsubscribe as I know how these discussions can get.
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I am going to have to disagree with you on construction. I have owned three deltecs and one H&S. They are MADE out of the same acrylic!! But they are made differently. But deltecs are just as strong as H&S as durability. When people buy deltecs they buy them for performance. You think we are going to go play football with them? I dropped my mce600 twice and not one crack. The AP600 was banged twice hard against my stand on accident on several occasions because I was doing some rearranging and no cracks or damage to the body. So this crap saying deltecs aren't built well is total BS!!

So why is it BS that deltec is protecting there patent pumps from DIY'ers with the $550??? If you take care of your pump and properly clean it you shouldn't have to worry about replacing the pump. If you don't take care of your pump by properly cleaning it and it damages, then shame on you then you should pay the price. I owned three aquabee pumps from deltec and never had one problem except worn out grommets which were replaced with the red silicon grommets which don't shrink.

I am happy with both H&S ans Deltec. But for someone who has never owned a deltec to make these comments is just a joke. Gee for a skimmer with glued joints and thin acrylic my deltec skimmers seemed to handle my accidently abuse.
 
@ DeltecRules, the acrylic quality and other materials that deltec uses is not the same as the BK nor H&S.

Secondly Deltec units use black ABS rom what it looks like and H&S uses PVC im my opinion ABS is an inferior product to PVC especially when paying a high price for a skimmer. I service a client with a AP902 and it does not stand up to my H&S A250 when looking at the acrylic or PVC.

Dont get me wrong these are two great skimmers, but I find that H&S especially the large models are superior to Deltec. As performance they are head to head contenders but Deltec like many say do look sexy with the clear and black finishing over the H&S more commercial look.
 
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man I type slowand should have seen there is another page my bad :) I agree with cruzinKim on the points brought up.

I could also have a C&C Marine here in Canada show the amount of accidental broken Deltec they repair,they are a C&C tooled outfit that works with acrylic everyday and started to repair units for stores out here.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11208701#post11208701 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ReefSalt
man I type slowand should have seen there is another page my bad :) I agree with cruzinKim on the points brought up.

I could also have a C&C Marine here in Canada show the amount of accidental broken Deltec they repair,they are a C&C tooled outfit that works with acrylic everyday and started to repair units for stores out here.
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Sorry the only broken deltecs I ever seen on here are people who shipped used units and not using the right packing materials or Fed EX playing football with the box. Again after owning three Deltecs skimmers I can say Deltecs built just as strong as H&S skimmers. You do not own one or ever have so how can you make comments on performance and durability of Deltec? Have you accidently ever banged a deltec skimmer against your stand or dropped it from the washman? Oh I forgot you never owned one how would you know? I have and there was no damage. So don't give me this crap saying that Deltecs aren't well made. Must be alot of people trying to play football with there skimmers up in Canada to break like that. I have seen some H&S skimmers on here which were broken so please don't say H&S skimmers are built better. I have an H&S A200-1260 so I can see the comparisons for myself between each of the APF600 and H&S A200-1260. They both perform great but to say H&S is made better is just idiotic. They are both well made. But I am pretty sure people are more concerned about the performance factor than throwing the skimmer around like a football.
 
Take it easy DeltecRules,
You seem to get so defensive and use a vocabulary that needs to insult people who does not agree with you. Now I know why the other member said they will unsubscribe to the thread.
Were all hobbiest here with our own opinions,

To Clarify on your comments I do own Deltec products thats what I based my comments on, and I use Deltec skimmers on some tanks I service on a weekly to Bi weekly schedule, so YES I have first hand experience with them, but you must know what peoples experience is with products , for you to say that there is no accidents or broken Deltec makes no sense.

If "I" had to choose between H&S and Bubble King mini, it`s a simple choice and my choice would be the same if it was a Deltec, H&S would win in my opinon.
 
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H&S /Deltec

H&S /Deltec

I've owned a Deltec AP-1003 ( 3 x ehiem 1260 / pinwheel ) for two years and upgraded to a H&S -450 (5 x 1260 eheim / pinwheel ) . Having owned both large skimmers - side by side , there is no question that the H&S is MUCH better built ! In fact my Deltec AP -1003 skimmer cup lid warped after only two years of use . As far as performance , well the H&S is the bigger unit so it's not fair to compare the two but obviously the H&S performed much better . Bang for the buck , the H&S is the better skimmer choice .
bernie lyons
 
Let's add one more thing to this discussion....customer support or I should say, lack of it. Deltec customer support is crap. I know that I will take a lot of heat from this statement, but I can handle it. I'm a grown boy.:) I don't understand what is going on with Deltec support but I can guarantee if you go to the Deltec forum, you will see at least one person complaining about lack of support. It was an easy choice for me. I went with H&S. Btw, I can guarantee H&S products are better built than Deltec.
 
I have seen an H&S that thing is built like a tank!

I do agree with kim also about the DIY pumps and that is why Deltec sells them for so much, That is BS.

Agree Deltec rules you seem so bitter man. my gosh.

Its like this is your life. Quite banging those skimemrs around so much also. No wonder the BK didnt work for you:)
 
I think the euroreefs RC and H&S are better built then Deltec and perform just as good or even better then the Deltecs.The black ABS looks like crap and is not stronger then SCH80 PVC,plus i would like to see what is going on with the nick of the skimmer.
 
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