Halides vs. T5's

Not really technical, all i am saying is new MH bulbs are good "blue"without Pure Actinic (420) accent lighting to counteract the yellowness. The lower the K the more yellow. The T5s bring in very high output, small size, long life and dimmable. In many ways a perfect aquarium light. Before T5s, power compact was the more popular, VHO before that. Apparently VHO is great light, many hard core people still use them.

Point source lighting (gas) = Very high output vs input from small size.
 
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It was the listing of bulbs that confused me-I'm not sure what the names means. That's what I meant by technical I guess.

The last post I get :)! I'm a huge equipment noob so the more broken down the explanation the better.
 
I am running a 400w radium mh bulb on my 50g, I also have two 39w t6 that I run for some added color and dwan/dusk. With all that wattage burning inside a wood canopy, my temp swings less than one degree day to night. All I have is one 3" computer fan blowing across the water of the dt, and one blowing on my ballast underneath. (interesting, I was getting a 2 degree swing before I added the ballast fan) And even if you do get temp swings, many say that it is actually good for the health of your corals.
Also, I remember reading somewhere that the shimmer lines actually do have a huge spike in par. He actually tested this with a par meter and was registering spikes in par on shimmer lines. And also commented that sps responded with excellerated growth when a lot of shimmer was present in the tank. He monitered the tank with the flow directed so the surface was lightly agitated, and again with the flow directed so the surface was fiercly agitated. He did both for several months and noticed the sps responded with faster growth to the latter. Now maybe it had to do with greater gas exchange and different flow orientation, but with the results of the par test and the surface agitation test, I'm inclined to believe that shimmer lines do have benefits to coral health/growth.
I think you can really get the colors out of your corals more readily with t5s just cause you can introduce the color spectrum that certain corals respond to. Once you have found all the colors that pop all your different corals and use them in combination, your whole tank will really POP. I think metal halide gives a much more natural, sunlight appearance...more of a shallow reef look. whereas T5s look more deep water...
 
Cool thread, I am in the process of buying a retro fit kit and I wanted to go with Halides but after reading this thread I really dont know.

So T5s are the best way to go as far as bringing out the color of corals? Cause I want super bright colors.

Which are cheaper to buy and cheaper to maintain, what is best for the long run?

I will be lighting a 180 gallon tank 72"x24"x24" what will be best if I want to keep all kinds of animals, I plan on keeping my tank very simple (not heavely stocked).

Obviously I am a saltwater virgin. Help will be appreciated.
 
I had pc then went to MH and when I downgraded due to heat issues I went to t-5s and cant say enough about them. I absolutely love the colors of my corals with them. Are you going to get better growth with halides over t-5s, No . Shimmer is nice , but I would rather have better color over shimmer anyday.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14879972#post14879972 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jbird69
I am running a 400w radium mh bulb on my 50g, I also have two 39w t6 that I run for some added color and dwan/dusk. With all that wattage burning inside a wood canopy, my temp swings less than one degree day to night. All I have is one 3" computer fan blowing across the water of the dt, and one blowing on my ballast underneath. (interesting, I was getting a 2 degree swing before I added the ballast fan) And even if you do get temp swings, many say that it is actually good for the health of your corals.
Also, I remember reading somewhere that the shimmer lines actually do have a huge spike in par. He actually tested this with a par meter and was registering spikes in par on shimmer lines. And also commented that sps responded with excellerated growth when a lot of shimmer was present in the tank. He monitered the tank with the flow directed so the surface was lightly agitated, and again with the flow directed so the surface was fiercly agitated. He did both for several months and noticed the sps responded with faster growth to the latter. Now maybe it had to do with greater gas exchange and different flow orientation, but with the results of the par test and the surface agitation test, I'm inclined to believe that shimmer lines do have benefits to coral health/growth.
I think you can really get the colors out of your corals more readily with t5s just cause you can introduce the color spectrum that certain corals respond to. Once you have found all the colors that pop all your different corals and use them in combination, your whole tank will really POP. I think metal halide gives a much more natural, sunlight appearance...more of a shallow reef look. whereas T5s look more deep water...

Interesting. I would like to see this research you are talking about. its hard to say one tank will grow differently just because of light. Alot has to do with the growth of corals and NO 2 tanks are ever the same. I have better growth with my t-5s on my 25 then my 250w halides on my old 90. Can I say t-5s will grow my corals faster? NO. Every tank is different
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14879972#post14879972 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jbird69
I am running a 400w radium mh bulb on my 50g, I also have two 39w t6 that I run for some added color and dwan/dusk. With all that wattage burning inside a wood canopy, my temp swings less than one degree day to night. All I have is one 3" computer fan blowing across the water of the dt, and one blowing on my ballast underneath. (interesting, I was getting a 2 degree swing before I added the ballast fan) And even if you do get temp swings, many say that it is actually good for the health of your corals.
Also, I remember reading somewhere that the shimmer lines actually do have a huge spike in par. He actually tested this with a par meter and was registering spikes in par on shimmer lines. And also commented that sps responded with excellerated growth when a lot of shimmer was present in the tank. He monitered the tank with the flow directed so the surface was lightly agitated, and again with the flow directed so the surface was fiercly agitated. He did both for several months and noticed the sps responded with faster growth to the latter. Now maybe it had to do with greater gas exchange and different flow orientation, but with the results of the par test and the surface agitation test, I'm inclined to believe that shimmer lines do have benefits to coral health/growth.
I think you can really get the colors out of your corals more readily with t5s just cause you can introduce the color spectrum that certain corals respond to. Once you have found all the colors that pop all your different corals and use them in combination, your whole tank will really POP. I think metal halide gives a much more natural, sunlight appearance...more of a shallow reef look. whereas T5s look more deep water...

Very informative. I really appreciate the in depth response.

I'm glad I started this thread-It's been very helpful.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14880647#post14880647 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ngn8dogg
Interesting. I would like to see this research you are talking about. its hard to say one tank will grow differently just because of light. Alot has to do with the growth of corals and NO 2 tanks are ever the same. I have better growth with my t-5s on my 25 then my 250w halides on my old 90. Can I say t-5s will grow my corals faster? NO. Every tank is different

I honestly cant remember where I read this article. Maybe online or a magazine or a book. Ive read so much about reef tanks its kind of a mixed potpouri of info swimming in my head.
I do remember this article tho as I thought it was really interesting. There wasnt a lot of science referenced in his research, just experimentation and observation.
Corals do respond well to random flow and its possible that shimmer lines would qualify as "random light". Just a thought....
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14880776#post14880776 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mightyevil
Okay so looks like T5s it is but how do I know what I need? which are the best but most affordable bulbs?

there is a huge thread in the lighting forums on this started by grimreefer w/ par readings. you will find the ati blue plus to be the most popular bulb by far. I also have a PAR meter and pure T5 lighting. I find most bulbs to be pretty close in PAR that grim reefer will suggest, so it's mostly about your color preference from there. (ati blu plus and ati blu special in a 2:1 ratio is my fave)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14865521#post14865521 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by aquaman67
Either will work.

Halides are ...They are also hotter, so you may need a chiller..

To the touch, yes. To the tank? Absolutely not. Needing a chiller has a lot more to do with hood design than light technology.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14883840#post14883840 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RichConley
To the touch, yes. To the tank? Absolutely not. Needing a chiller has a lot more to do with hood design than light technology.

I agree! What people don't seem to mention is that with a single MH bulb you've got 400 watts in 3 linear inches, With 8 T5 bulbs you've spread 432 watts over 384 linear inches.
 
I have MH and ditched chiller, just opened the hood a bit and a fan. The chiller was actually raising tempature due to being inside the house.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14875469#post14875469 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fender4string
tkeracer619-do you have any pictures of how you set up your lights or maybe a link to a thread in which you previously posted pictures? I'd like to see how you did that.


You should be able to get a good idea from this super old picture. I have a build log but it is very dated simply due to being at a race and taking a rock to the lens of my camera... haven't purchased a new one yet.

This is with reeflux 10k on the outside, ebay 14k in the middle. Blue+ T5 and Super Actinic VHO. With the radium halides the coloration is right in the middle of the two shown in this pic.

73cl6.jpg
 
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