Hardest Biotope Aquarium you have/had

Tripod1404

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Hello Guys,

Yesterday my neighbor (who started a sw tank after falling in love with mine), asked me if a reef tank is the hardest possible aquarium to keep. Well to his surprise I said a black-water planted discus tank is harder :).
About 15 years ago I tried to built a 150 gallon black-water planted discus tank. For those of you who are not familiar with such tanks, it is a fw aquarium mimicking the black-water affluents of amazon river (such the rio negro ) .
The water is black-tea colored, pH is around 5.5 and general hardiness is between 1-3dKh. You need to use dried leaves and wood to provide tannin color, Tank needs to be dimly lit (like the forest floor) and it should have low/ one directional flow (like a small stream).
For fish I had wild red discus (not the crap they breed these days, real thing from amazon), heckel discus and altum angelfish (not the regular freshwater angel fish but a close relative, Pterophyllum altum). I also tried to keep fish like cardinal tetras but failed (I will explain below).

Okay here comes the hard part;
First of all maintaining water chemistry was super hard. We are talking about a tank with pH 5.5 with nearly no carbonate buffering (very soft water). Buffering agents added to the tank (mainly organic acids), either decompose or get consumed by plants and etc. So you constantly need to maintain pH. Tank also need CO2 for plants, but if you over-do it pH can drop below 5.5. So CO2 should run during the day, but turnoff during the night (or a CO2 doser based on pH is required). For most places, hardiness of tap water is higher than 1-3dKh, so I used RO/DI water. Again, you need to adjust the pH of the water before adding.

And lets talk about the fish. Discus are cichlids and even the ones selectively bred for generations are not the most peaceful fish. Now multiply that aggression 10 and add the social structure of wild discus. In wild, these fish live in shoals of paired fish. So when they are not breeding they form shoals but each fish have their own partner in that shoal. During breeding season the shoal disassociates and pairs claim separate territories to breed. During breeding they become very aggressive. This works well in a river but in a tank you end up with unpredictable fish. One day they all get along fine and the next day there is a territorial battle. I tried my things to prevent inducing breeding behavior, like not adding cold water to the tank. But whenever it rained outside, fish became more aggressive (in wild they breed after rain when the river swells). Fish fighting in a tank with dry leaves and hummus soil as substrate, do not mix well. I had regular mud storms due to fish fighting. This sometimes also clogged the filters... Surprisingly different discus species do not shoal. I have never seen a heckel discus and red discus to form pair (although, I guess it is possible if there are no discus from their own species since there are hybrids). But they sure fight... Altum angels were another problem. They were considerably peaceful, but these guys consistently ate every small fish I added (such as the cardinal tetras). After some time I stopped adding small fish.

I later sold the tank to a fish store for a good sum :). It was a nice tank but required a lot of attention.

So what are your experiences with other types of hard aquariums.
 
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I would have to say it depends on the type of reef tank. I too have done SA biotope and RO/DI sure makes it easier! I would say a dedicated stony coral reef is the hardest tank I have tired especially if going for good coloration, but a softie tank reef isn't too hard.

That is a generalization though, any specific setup can be a crazy amount of work. My stony reef was automated so the daily work wasn't bad - just took a lot of money - but if doing breeding projects or specialized care you might be putting in a lot of hours just to keep the food alive and that is outside the narrow parameters needed in tank!
 
Long time planted tank keeper and I found them harder than a reef tank. Crypt melt is the FW analog of RTN. And trying to get a healthy group if cardinals ....... Gak!
 
Long time planted tank keeper and I found them harder than a reef tank. Crypt melt is the FW analog of RTN. And trying to get a healthy group if cardinals ....... Gak!

Out of about 10 tetras I bought, one survived. I was only adding 2-3 at a time in a cycled tank, and within a week, I'd be down to one. I'd add more and the same thing. So instead of a school, I have a solitary one in my molly tank since we also found out that tetras will in fact eat freshwater shrimp.

My hardest tank is my son's nano. It's a 5.5gal fluval that we tried to set up a shrimp colony in. Two attempts at orange rili shrimp failed spectacularly. Plus, the lights that came with it are terrible. I cannot even keep java moss or java ferns alive in that thing, and those are the lowest-light plants you can get.

Husband keeps talking about upgrading my 30 gal to a 125 planted, giving my 30 gal to oldest son, and letting the younger son keep a betta in the fluval nano.
 
Ya I kept and tried to breed discus many years ago and I find that was quite a bit harder then my reef tank. Although now that I am older and wiser, I wouldnt mind trying again :)
 
I believe both freshwater and saltwater can be as easy or as hard as you want them to be. For instance someone doing the full zeovit system would probably say that's the hardest thing you could ever do (right), and they'd have a fair point. I'm not so sure a black-water planted discus tank would be that hard anymore, I think we as aquarists and our technology have both come a long way and that may very well give you a fair chance to do it right these days. If you put it into perspective keeping SPS 15 years ago was a huge feat as well, and through persistence and dedication people are now able to join the hobby and keep them way sooner than imaginable. The same thing can be said for many species of anemones.
 
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