Having trouble keeping SPS happy.

Thanks agin for the advice. I won't change anything other then dropping the zeovit. Honestly, it feels like a huge weight off my back not to have to dose so much crap daily.

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I think that's the right decision. Besides if Zeovit hasn't working for you so far, it's probably not going to work in the next few months anyway.

I just can't imagine anyone manually dosing so much stuff daily / weekly for the next 3 to 5 years and still be able to enjoy the tank. Even an automatic doser will probably fail a few times, let alone manually dosing them.

Good luck JG!
 
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I think that's the right decision. Besides if Zeovit hasn't working for you so far, it's probably not going to work in the next few months anyway.

I just can't imagine anyone manually dosing so much stuff daily / weekly for the next 3 to 5 years and still be able to enjoy the tank. Even an automatic doser will probably fail a few times, let alone manually dosing them.

Good luck JG!

Yeah now that I think about it, it was entirely too much. Especially when equally beautiful tanks can be had with a very simple method.

I am questioning my lighting though...hoping my 8x54w powermodule isn't frying the corals. I'm doing a 5 hour 8 bulb photoperiod and a 10 hour 2 bulb dusk/dawn.
 
JG, how close are you to Linwood? I'm sitting here responding and just now noticed that you may live right around the corner.:hammer:

As for nitrate test kits...Salifert is fine. If you're reading anywhere in the low range you're low enough for SPS. The only parameter I seem to watch more frequently these days is alkalinity. I've found that keeping it stable is my key in coloration and growth of SPS. I've never seen an erratic calcium reading make even the smallest dent in my system's growth rates and coloration.
 
JG, how close are you to Linwood? I'm sitting here responding and just now noticed that you may live right around the corner.:hammer:

As for nitrate test kits...Salifert is fine. If you're reading anywhere in the low range you're low enough for SPS. The only parameter I seem to watch more frequently these days is alkalinity. I've found that keeping it stable is my key in coloration and growth of SPS. I've never seen an erratic calcium reading make even the smallest dent in my system's growth rates and coloration.

Alex, prob about 40 minutes.....I'm in Sicklerville, last exit off the AC expressway before it becomes Rt 42.
 
Wow. I think I was speaking with you previously a few months back when you were receiving your tank from Miracles. Like dzhuo stated earlier, it is a little early to expect much from SPS corals. The bacterial beds really need to mature before a lot of excess is pumped into the system. The fact that you've had any luck at all is actually pretty remarkable. The first year of my 150 was absolute torture. I was transfering livestock and corals from a previous system and things were going great for a few months. Then I started losing SPS from the base up until only 4 colonies remained. After things settled down I looked into carbon dosing and that's when the real trouble started for me. I could never get deep, rick colors and polyp extension like I was seeing in other people's tanks. When I stepped back and let things mature....good things started to happen. I think I had 4 or 5 diatom blooms the first year with a couple bouts of hair algae. Much of that has subsided. After the initial woes I added SPS frags from reputable online retailers. I was determined and it started to pay off in year 2. There are so many ways to keep an SPS tank that I think sometimes we forget that they are animals and need to feed. Too many filtration concepts coupled with the efficiency of modern protein skimmers can leave you wondering what to correct if things go wrong. It sounds like you're going to take it slow. I know it's hard to do. I was a tinkerer by nature. Learning to "neglect" the tank a little more and have a hands off approach is hard for me, but my corals like it so I stick with what works.

A little off topic, but I remember when you were having the rimless Miracles tank delivered a few months back. How do you like it? I'm thinking about going big...real big....and was going to try and make a decision by the end of the summer as to who I'm going to go with to build the tank.
 
Wow. I think I was speaking with you previously a few months back when you were receiving your tank from Miracles. Like dzhuo stated earlier, it is a little early to expect much from SPS corals. The bacterial beds really need to mature before a lot of excess is pumped into the system. The fact that you've had any luck at all is actually pretty remarkable. The first year of my 150 was absolute torture. I was transfering livestock and corals from a previous system and things were going great for a few months. Then I started losing SPS from the base up until only 4 colonies remained. After things settled down I looked into carbon dosing and that's when the real trouble started for me. I could never get deep, rick colors and polyp extension like I was seeing in other people's tanks. When I stepped back and let things mature....good things started to happen. I think I had 4 or 5 diatom blooms the first year with a couple bouts of hair algae. Much of that has subsided. After the initial woes I added SPS frags from reputable online retailers. I was determined and it started to pay off in year 2. There are so many ways to keep an SPS tank that I think sometimes we forget that they are animals and need to feed. Too many filtration concepts coupled with the efficiency of modern protein skimmers can leave you wondering what to correct if things go wrong. It sounds like you're going to take it slow. I know it's hard to do. I was a tinkerer by nature. Learning to "neglect" the tank a little more and have a hands off approach is hard for me, but my corals like it so I stick with what works.

A little off topic, but I remember when you were having the rimless Miracles tank delivered a few months back. How do you like it? I'm thinking about going big...real big....and was going to try and make a decision by the end of the summer as to who I'm going to go with to build the tank.

I've read that numerous times......the first year is really hard to keep SPS thriving in a new tank. I'll just be patient and keep doing what I'm doing now and hopefully things will make a turn for the better down the road.

I like the tank a lot. I think they did a nice job with the silicone and the glass is nicely polished on the edges. You're more then welcome to come take a look at it if that'll help with your decision making.

John
 
I appreciate the invite. I may take you up on that. I'm due for a road trip to the Hidden Reef soon anyway, so maybe on the way there or back.
 
Well took params today and they are the following:

Ca 450ppm
dkh 8.3
MG 1380ppm
PO4 0.03
NO3 undetectable
K 440ppm


K is still a little high but shouldn't negatively effect the tank. NO3 hasn't budged was hoping it would go up a little since stopping carbon dosing. Guess I'll just continue to feed and wait for it to rise.

Feeding about 1/2 cube PE mysis daily, along with a pinch of flake food. Also doing 1 cap of Oyster Feast every other night.
 
Just FYI JG...

I had took off both GFO and carbon for roughly a month now and continue to feed the same amount. I took measurement last night and phosphate is still 0.00 (Hana Checker) and nitrate is 0.2 to 0.5 (Salifert). Ironically, the annoying green bio-film on the glass which used to show up fairly aggressively every 2 days has all but disappeared. You would expect N & P to both go up without GFO and carbon but they haven't. You would expect more algae grow but it hasn't. I do notice my macro is growing a little better now. I think you might be surprise by the fact that you don't necessary see a rapid increase in N & P. I think eventually they will go up but slowly and over time.

My only theory is the slightly higher N & P has fueled more "filter feeders" in the tank and supports a larger bio-diversity which prey on the algae spores / phytoplankton which actually keep the tank cleaner.
 
Your parameters look great. If you can keep them there for a year or so you should really have one nice looking tank.

As for the Oyster Feast....I tried it and it caused a huge algae bloom. IMHO it's a phosphate additive that I eliminated from the mix. Maybe you'll have better luck with it than I did.
 
I agree you water parameters look good, keep them stable now. Keep off the Zeovit and any other carbon dosing for one your tank should me mature when you start carbon bacteria dosing. Your low SG was a problem for sure. Now give it time.
 
Thanks guys.

Have a question. I'm alternating nightly 1 cap of oyster feast and level 1 scoop (that comes with the product) of 50-100 micron GP's from brine shrimp direct.

Does this seem like an ideal amount or am I going overboard on the SPS feeding?
 
JG, excellent recommendations from everyone. I agree that you'll see major changes coming soon and going into your second year your tank will take off. As far as the Oyster Feast goes, start the dosing at about half the recommended amount and build from there as your system allows. I use it and check my PO4 and NO3 monthly to make sure I'm not over doing it. I also use Roti Feast and Phyto Feast. Good luck!
 
JG, excellent recommendations from everyone. I agree that you'll see major changes coming soon and going into your second year your tank will take off. As far as the Oyster Feast goes, start the dosing at about half the recommended amount and build from there as your system allows. I use it and check my PO4 and NO3 monthly to make sure I'm not over doing it. I also use Roti Feast and Phyto Feast. Good luck!

Thanks.

Yeah that's what i've been doing. The dosing is supposed to be every day about 1 cap per 50 gallons and I do that per 100 gallons, EOD.

The GP's (which I guess is comparable to roti feast)....I just started these last night @ 1 scoop, EOD.
 
Well I think I answered my own question. Ended up with a algae bloom from the SPS foods every day. Perhaps I should cut back to twice/week lol.

Friggin PO4 went up from 0.03 to 0.11
 
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I don't buy into the whole group that says you have to feed your corals too. SPS love clean and stable water. If this was a frag tank with no fish in it I'd say feed the corals. This is probably how all these coral foods got popular in the first place. The added nutrients seem more trouble than they're worth.

Feed your fish some good quality foods and your corals will pick up what passes through the fish. All the coral foods are supersaturated with phosphate.
 
I don't buy into the whole group that says you have to feed your corals too. SPS love clean and stable water. If this was a frag tank with no fish in it I'd say feed the corals. This is probably how all these coral foods got popular in the first place. The added nutrients seem more trouble than they're worth.

Feed your fish some good quality foods and your corals will pick up what passes through the fish. All the coral foods are supersaturated with phosphate.

Alex, that makes sense. I'm going back to just feeding fish food. If anything I'll feed them a little more frequently.
 
I know there are those that swear by the reef foods. They most likely have very large water volumes with low fish loads that don't require that much feeding. One thing I found was not only did the reef foods contain high phosphate, but the oils would cake inside my skimmer and could shut it down for days.

Trying to stay away from ANY product that seems to turbo charge a specific parameter or feeding response has made all the difference in the overall stability and steady growth in my tank. If I can predict on a weekly basis when the glass needs cleaning, when filter socks need to be changed, when coralline needs to be scraped, when the skimmer needs to be cleaned, my water change frequency/volume and when the fish need to be fed then I know I'm keeping it steady and offering my SPS tank the most important parameter of all....stability. Slowly take note of the above tasks and monitor progress. You'll be surprised at how routine it can become. This may sound odd but a boring and predictable routine based on observation can really offer you a lot of insight into the small nuances and quirks that make your tank work. Only when the above stuff was rock solid did I start fiddling with things like lighting, photoperiod, flow patterns, additives and so on. Too often I think people look at this stuff first when the other things have proven to me to be so much more important.
 
I know there are those that swear by the reef foods. They most likely have very large water volumes with low fish loads that don't require that much feeding. One thing I found was not only did the reef foods contain high phosphate, but the oils would cake inside my skimmer and could shut it down for days.

Trying to stay away from ANY product that seems to turbo charge a specific parameter or feeding response has made all the difference in the overall stability and steady growth in my tank. If I can predict on a weekly basis when the glass needs cleaning, when filter socks need to be changed, when coralline needs to be scraped, when the skimmer needs to be cleaned, my water change frequency/volume and when the fish need to be fed then I know I'm keeping it steady and offering my SPS tank the most important parameter of all....stability. Slowly take note of the above tasks and monitor progress. You'll be surprised at how routine it can become. This may sound odd but a boring and predictable routine based on observation can really offer you a lot of insight into the small nuances and quirks that make your tank work. Only when the above stuff was rock solid did I start fiddling with things like lighting, photoperiod, flow patterns, additives and so on. Too often I think people look at this stuff first when the other things have proven to me to be so much more important.

I think that because my water was so stripped from zeovit that I was in a rush and thought it was necessary to start adding reef foods.

Dumb mistake, but I've learned from it. I'll just go back to feeding the fish and let the rest take care of itself. I realize change isn't going to come overnight so I will make no more changes and just let things work them self out. I'm just crossing my fingers that things WILL change for the better. Just depressing knowing the amount of time (and money!) I've put into this with little to show for it. If I can see just one coral color up it will be all worth it.
 
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