Help!!! Can anybody ID my Clownfish????

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I was shopping on my local reef forum the other day, and saw a guy selling a "black Nemo" for pretty cheap ($30). I was interested so I went and had a look... but it didn't look anything like a Nemo??? Can anybody tell me what it is? I got it anyway because I thought it was really pretty, but it really isn't a Nemo like I wanted originally...

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Sorry for the terrible photos, but it's the best I could get :( can anybody help?
 
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Thats a Latz clwonfish!A fish like that sell for about $170 around here.You got a deal!A pair of these fish is about $1,000.Consider your self lucky!Very Rare!
 
He is in Australia, they are probably a dime a dozen there

No. Not really. I was in communication with a LFS over there and he was complaining that they always get sent to Japan and the US. More have started to trickle into the AU market more recently.

It's not the best specamin I've seen color wise but it may color up a little better in time if provided with a little preventative quarrantine/treatment followed by a nice cool reef.
 
Amphiprion latezonatus (commonly known as wide-band and blue-lipped clown fish), probably caught not to far from where you are at. Just consider the waters to the east of you for it's care. These guys have a great personality, and by the looks of yours, you should be able to pair it with another one of any size but try to go much larger or smaller to ease the process.

Also, you should always be prepared for the onset of brook with these guys... http://atj.net.au/marineaquaria/brooklynella.html

Here's a local to you that catches them... http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1787209
 
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a.k.a. The $30 Latz

a.k.a. The $30 Latz

Ahhhhh, the ruse is up. A friend dared me to post here to see your reactions... and I went for it, because honestly, just coming out and saying, "Hey guys, I got a hand-caught/tank-raised spawning female Latz that's been kept captive for the last 3 years for $30" makes me feel like a bit of a jerk. Okay, a lot of a jerk.

The story goes, basically, a member of the local reef club had an intensive breeding program he set up for his class but recently tore it down as he'd wasn't in it anymore/didn't have time for it. He was selling all his stock, in a post called "Clownfish Sale", which pretty-much gushed about how many Onyx/Darwin clowns he had, and at the bottom had "Latz Clown - $30", just discretely enough that I'm guessing nobody saw it/realised what it was. I got in contact with him, made sure the price was accurate knowing full-well their market value even here, and that it indeed was the infamous Amphiprion latezonatus. Went to see it, it was nice and healthy, price was right, so I grabbed it. Apparently this is a female he'd been able to spawn quite a few times with (he had ~8 spawning females from memory), hand-collected outside of the Lord Howe Island region where there's heavy collection restriction. Also apparently raised from quite young in captivity. Eventually I want to see if I can get her a male through similar means, or try and pair her up with one of the similar "saddled" clowns (not for spawn, just company). It's also headed for my passive-stocked reef (primarily Apogon spp.), although eventually I may set up a 'nem/softy tank for it.

It's been in my holding tank for the last 5 days, swimming around and interacting well, though still a little timid when I go near the tank for feedings. She's eating like a champ and already displaying better colouration (the tank is lit by naturally-occurring sunlight entering large west and north windows which makes it difficult to shoot). I had originally tossed up whether to get it, but now I'm glad I did in hindsight. It's a stunning fish. And that, my friends, is the story of how I came to own a $30 healthy female captive-raised Latz clown. I guess it's one of those situations where being in the right place at the right time pays off eh? :)


As for them being "a dime a dozen" here, not quite so much :) Several reasons, first being that the area they're endemic has heavy collection restrictions, second being that there's no demand because they're not often seen, third they're expensive when they are seen, and fourth they by all accounts of most collectors here are really poor shippers. Prices still match or well exceed the ones you guys see over there, last one I saw was $600.



Once I get some better light for the holding tank and she's not so timid I'll try and get some better shots :cool:
 
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Perhaps I misunderstood when I was picking it up, admittedly I was ... well, quite drunk at the time. It's true what you've heard about us Aussies and our drink ;) He did have a hard accent so I'm not sure. That said... irrespective of the finer details, it's indeed a Latz, it appears to be healthy, it's swimming around and seeming pretty happy, and it was unusually cheap so I cannot complain. It was actually cheaper than a juvi Pink Skunk I had a while back, and cheaper again than a Darwin I had before that.

Is anybody else over there keeping them? I've honestly never encountered anybody else here who does, be it because the price is so prohibitive or because generally speaking because of their negative points they're not as attractive an option as some of the similar species.
 
I agree with marinap about the maturity. The band is just too narrow. That said I agree that it was quite a lucky find! Especially when it's worth 20 times that amount where you are.
 
I agree with marinap about the maturity. The band is just too narrow. That said I agree that it was quite a lucky find! Especially when it's worth 20 times that amount where you are.

It's a shame about their prohibitive cost coming into it so much, of the Amphiprion species I've kept, this one definitely seems to be the most elegant in it's swimming motions and demeanour. Up until now I'd genuinely only ever seen in life, and that was at one of the biggest aquariums around in their display because they simply couldn't sell it.


While we're on the subject of it being not what I'd understood it as, does anybody have a rough estimate to the age/gender of it? The photo doesn't show it well, but it's around 3.5" long. Also, what sort of size would I be looking at it needing to attain for it to have reached sexual maturity? And while it may seem silly or whatever, do you think it would actually pair up with one of the other Saddleback species (sebae, polymnus) given the lack of latezonatus around (in a similar way to percula and ocellaris)? :dance:
 
Given where you live you may first want to concentrate on a chiller to control the temperature of your tank if you have not already. I had the best success keeping them at about 76F given that Brisbane is a fair bit North of where they live... which is more parallel to Sydney. I've been to different locations on AU's East coast at the end of your wet season and recall that it was a lot cooler in Sydney than in Cairns or other points in North QLD.

In terms of determining age and gender; it is impossible to determine age unless they are captive raised. Gender is tricky too but given the pics you shared and the size description I would guess at male and less likely neuter. Latz are typically around 5"-6" when they are mature. Unlike most clown species they tend to be close to the same size when they start mating. So, at that point gender will be determined by behavior as in who tends the eggs.

I did keep my female with a male polymnus for some time with no issues.
If you intend to find a temporary mate in A. polymnus I suggest finding a very large female. This will keep yours male until you can find another latz. The reason for this suggestion is that you don't know what gender you're likely to come across. So, you're better off having a male to increase your odds of getting it to pair later.
 
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I'm on top of the chiller, my tank is currently sitting at 75 and sticks to that all day. Thankfully we're heading into the cooler part of the year, though during the Summers it does go well past 90 (usually closer to 100+). Had a near miss late last year thanks to that and won't run a tank without one now :)

Thanks for the suggestion of getting a large female, I've got a fairly reliable source of A. polymnus so I'll put in a request for a large female, and then hopefully should be able to acquire another Latz through another one of my sources. It'll be interesting to see how it goes. At any rate, even if I can't source a mate of either species I'm not overly fussed, one is elegant enough!


Cheers for the info mate, I've been shown up but I've definitely learned a fair bit from it :)
 
Well I think you'll have a better shot at success than we do on this side of the pond simply because yours has probably never seen a wholesaler or retailer's tank from which to pick up a disease. It has also never had to make the 20 hour flight to the states not to mention all the stops before and after.\
I've managed to kill 7 of these beauties. Four to heat/disease one to jumping and two to plain stupidity. I had one young pair for over a year before doing something stupid.
 
If you knew what you had, why ask in such a " noob " manner? Why not ask for us to confirm? Not sure what bush you are trying to beat? :hammer:

It looks to me like you want to flaunt on your purchase. :confused:
 
If you knew what you had, why ask in such a " noob " manner? Why not ask for us to confirm? Not sure what bush you are trying to beat? :hammer:

Ahhhhh, the ruse is up. A friend dared me to post here to see your reactions...

It looks to me like you want to flaunt on your purchase. :confused:

Yup. I'd say ultimately it was about flaunting his purchase. There's nothing new about that idea but I do love to see someone run across a great find from time to time.
 
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