Help me with my QT plan

[thompson2224]

The two coming from my LFS are the cleaner wrasse and the diamond goby. Im sure I could leave them at the LFS for a bit. I put them on hold on wednesday.

Do other people agree with gone fishin and think it would be okay to put the mandarin and the leopard wrasse straight into the DT?

 

[Triggerfish]

Those are some tough fish individually let alone in a group all at once. FWIW a Mandarin and a leopard wrasse are one of the few fish I would consider going right to the DT.

I consider the risk of infecting the DT vs. QT success worth the risk, just my 2 cents.

i'm leaning that way as well..more so that your DT has no other fish.
here's what i would do in your particular situation.
inspect the fish very carefully for any signs of infestation.
if you don't see anything acclimate them to the DT.
most of the fish on the list from what i believe are not heavy carriers of ich like tangs.. just really look at the clowns carefully though.

 

[thompson2224]

Okay I will do that then for the mandarin and the leopard wrasse. The rest I will probably look at much closer. I will probably separate the clowns out then as I know they can often carry other diseases. What other fish in my group are typically resistant to ich and other diseases? Should I do a fresh water dip?

 

[Triggerfish]

the clowns would be the most susceptible.
you could pretreat with paraguard as a bath while acclimating. FW dip them for a bit probably wouldn't hurt.
good to go. meanwhile cycle up a Qt in case things go south.

 

[thompson2224]

I have a QT setup right now. So I guess my new plan will be to look at everything carefully then if everything looks good put the mandarin and leopard wrasse in, then inspect clowns and most likely QT them with copper and TT, look at pipefish and puffer, if they look good Ill give them a freshwater dip and then put them in, and then same with the cleaner wrasse and diamond goby. Id imagine if they are ill they will be showing signs when they arrive as since shipping will most likely be stressful

 

[Marshall O]

Here is another bit of advice; if it were me, I would not buy the Cleaner Wrasse or the Diamond Goby. Cleaner Wrasses do poorly in captivity in all but the largest tanks with large fish to setup its stations. Smaller tanks with smaller fish, it will end up either bothering the fish non stop, or starve (or both). The Diamond Goby is a sand-sifting Goby and needs a large and established sandbed to sift through and feed from all day. These also often starve in captivity.

You already have three "expert only" (IMO) fish on the way. Don't add another two that will only lessen your chances of success. Get a store credit for them and use it down the road. I wish you luck with the fish you have on the way either way!

 

[thompson2224]

My sand bed is established and the tank is very established with pods as well. The cleaner wrasse I could agree with you on and I am hoping that I will be able to get it to eat frozen food as my LFS has one in his personal tank that does and has said that this one has been eating it as well.

 

[Marshall O]

How large is the display tank?

Either way, I still think it is too many fish to add at once. If anything, add the LFS fish down the road if you chose to do so.

 

[thompson2224]

Yeah I will probably wait on the two from the LFS then. The DT is 72 with a 20 gallon sump

 

[Dmorty217]

Those are some tough fish individually let alone in a group all at once. FWIW a Mandarin and a leopard wrasse are one of the few fish I would consider going right to the DT.

I consider the risk of infecting the DT vs. QT success worth the risk, just my 2 cents.

+1 and the pipefish

 

[thompson2224]

+1 and the pipefish

So you think the mandarin, leopard wrasse, and pipefish should be added to the DT after just inspecting them?

 

[Deinonych]

Here is another bit of advice; if it were me, I would not buy the Cleaner Wrasse or the Diamond Goby. Cleaner Wrasses do poorly in captivity in all but the largest tanks with large fish to setup its stations. Smaller tanks with smaller fish, it will end up either bothering the fish non stop, or starve (or both). The Diamond Goby is a sand-sifting Goby and needs a large and established sandbed to sift through and feed from all day. These also often starve in captivity.

+1

Cleaner wrasses are best left in the ocean. While very attractive, they offer very little, if any benefit in an aquarium. Diamond gobies will deplete even a large, mature sand bed in short order then slowly starve to death. Bear in mind your sand bed contains a large number of beneficial organisms that help stabilize your system. Once depleted, it can have unforeseen consequences on the tank's ecology.

 

[thompson2224]

+1

Cleaner wrasses are best left in the ocean. While very attractive, they offer very little, if any benefit in an aquarium. Diamond gobies will deplete even a large, mature sand bed in short order then slowly starve to death. Bear in mind your sand bed contains a large number of beneficial organisms that help stabilize your system. Once depleted, it can have unforeseen consequences on the tank's ecology.

What do diamond gobies eat in the sand? Can it be supplemented? I just need something to move my sand around in my tank. It needs to be moved around

 

[Deinonych]

What do diamond gobies eat in the sand? Can it be supplemented? I just need something to move my sand around in my tank. It needs to be moved around

Benthic organisms like algae, small crustaceans etc. If you need your sand to be turned over, how about a handful of nassarius snails and couple of fighting conchs? They do a pretty good job of keeping the sand aerated without causing harm.

 

[thompson2224]

I have quite a bit of nassarius snails but still stuff collects on the sand. I don't have fighting conchs because Ive heard its hard to tell them apart from ones that are harmful

 

[Deinonych]

Not sure what kind of powerheads you use, but you might modify your flow patterns if you have a lot of detritus collecting on the sand.

 

[Triggerfish]

I got a bit confused here.. you posted exact same posts in two forums... just realized.

 

[snorvich]

May I remind folks that lack of visual symptoms of ich does not mean the fish is ich free.

 

[thompson2224]

Snorvich what is your opinion on this? Is it a safe bet to put a mandarin, pipefish and leopard wrasse in the DT if they look healthy and are eating and seem fine?

 

[Triggerfish]

May I remind folks that lack of visual symptoms of ich does not mean the fish is ich free.

especially that on most fish infected the parasite will be within the gill area making it virtually impossible to notice.