Your responses to my post don't seem to be very coherent. Could it be that English is not your primary language?
Phil, now that you bring up your comprehension skills, and language, let us talk about comprehension skills and language.
- English is a very poorly Latinised language, which was made during the Christian age of Europe and is made up of a slang of local words, heavily influenced by Danish in the period where Danes invaded Denmark, only to be impossible to remove until French born Danes removed the other Danes from England.
- Danish is a very-VERY poorly Latinised language, which was made during the Christian age of Europe, and is made up by a local slurs of such things as ancient Phoenician language migrating up through the black pottery culture and a drizzle on top, of latin.
- Latin is the system the west use to make sure language is based on factual information and not some made up memorised bs and Spanish is a *Romance* language, meaning it is super strong in factual capabilities.
- American.... is slang, developed by Hicks in the middle of nowhere based on whatever Swedish or Danish or Irish or French or whatever else was speaking as you went along, not very interesting for anybody who cares about anything actually.....like you larp and you simplify and make nonsense out of things without knowing neither where anything comes from or why you are changing it.
I never speak American Phil, I speak English, reading and comprehension is a skill everyone starts to learn in preschool and it is not up to me to make sure you can pay attention in 45min and learn something.
In American "one fish, multiple fish" is pronouncing fish in Danish "en fisk, flere fisk" but fish in the English language is called "one fish, multiple fishes" because of the stronger latin influence, I sincerely doubt that you have even learned Spanish despite the fact that wast parts of the so-called united states of america was always compromised by Spanish settlers, because you seem to simply try to discredit that I have anything to add to the forum, rather than argumenting anything to actually counter any of the information I added to the debate.
Again, I would like to know where you are getting your information. (Seriously, a link to a website or a book title would be helpful.)
Phil, if I one day make a comment about magnetism and somebody charge at me demanding me to show a source documenting "this so-called magnetism" I would probably just say you have to keep up to date with stuff like that by yourself. I started reading biology and chemistry around third grade after reading through a ton about Latin because I was frustrated with the primitive language my school teachers was teaching me.
You have to educate yourself or pay somebody to educate you, nobody got time for that fast food version of sources that you expect to be around somewhere.
Perhaps you should try reading around on WetWebMedia but I fear their demand that you study by yourself might demand toomuch of your concentration and comprehension level, you do make a lot of complaints.
While the tomato clown clad is generally red in color, most of the other highly aggressive clowns (chrysopterus, the clarkii clad, akindynos, etc. ) are brown and white.
Phil.....clowns are called clowns, among other things because their face turns dark if they are scared and whiter when they are carefree and happy, kinda like a clown putting on makeup when they feel like laughing alittle - I have no idea why you are having this argument with me.
Yes, the clowns' original colours (stop spelling colour wrong Phil), would have evolved from duller into brighter versions, orange, red and yellow being added only when pigments are available in their development tree and their foodstuffs - I have no idea why you are having this argument with me.
I have kept 7-8 different species of clowns in my 40 years of raising and breeding clowns in reef tank set-ups(including A. percula and ocellaris) and I would have to say that 99% of the time, they spent their time calmly lounging in their anemone or exploring their tank.
Firstly I would like to personally thank you for keeping anemonefishes that spent 99% of their time being happy tank fishes, saving fishes from the plastic gyres is pretty much the most important thing in all of this. With people like you who learn and spread knowledge of keeping marine lifeforms, human-kind does have a chance of doing something real to save life diversity in the oceans and I am honestly very glad that so many people have spent their hard earned cash and free time, keeping saltwater aquaria.
Your efforts are a real achievement and I mean that.
I also, have spent about 30 years being seriously into the topic and the more I read from older established breeders like you, the more I get scared that you are stuck in the past in regards to the information you have. It is not enough to get upset and demand a fast food source to keep up, you have to keep up and go dig into it yourself Phil.
It would be impossible for clownfish to live with their grandparents. Only one breeding pair exists per anemone. For grandparents to be in the anemone that would mean they would have had to stop breeding and given up their breeding rights to a subordinate pair,(one of which would have to be their offspring) which doesn't happen. What is the source of your info?
Sigh, deeeeeep sigh, you know Phil, out beyond your nose tip, the ocean have divers who go and stick in DNA tests on these things and make studies and stuff. You know, kinda like if you had the first zoo with a chimpanzee but some woman went into the jungle and studied the chimpanzee there - and brought DNA kits?
Polymnus specifically are the species that I research up on the most. These fishes have been documented in nature, to grow so old that they stop being reproductive and allow the next pair in line to become the breeding pair. The grandparents continue to guard the nest and the young and get protection and food from the generations that they nurtured, they are generational hermaphrodites - I don't know why you keep forcing me to state the obvious facts like a child that never heard about magnetism before and demanding an explanation while somehow trying to make me look bad. All I am doing is pointing out known established facts and trying to calm you down from hijacking the topic with trolling me.
Adult clownfish don't care for their young. Once the eggs hatch, the parents are done. The breeding pair in an anemone spend most of their time harassing the subordinate fish in their anemone, not teaching them lessons.
The larvae are washed away with the current and returns by following chemical traces in the area, to nests and like you have seen 10000000 million times in creatures like birds, only the nice looking nests and nest-keepers, gets all the attention. Otherwise the juveniles just swim away to find that wonder-fish they instinctively know is out there somewhere.
But Phil, let us just state the obvious:
The subordinate fishes can remain subordinate indefinitely, as long as the dominant fish dominates them - now you seem to demand that I explain you the basic purpose of dominance but you seem so undereducated in what you are talking about that I have no idea of where to start to get you up to date in this stuff Phil.
Every time they dominate the subs, they trigger chemical responses in the subs, keeping them subby, I hope this is cohesive enough because real educations costs real money Phil, you are really testing my patience.
Clownfishes use a PACK SYSTEM with tank and skirmishers.
Do you understand this Phil? The big fishes need the smaller fishes for confronting faster & smaller swimmers that would otherwise have harassed the heavy slow breeding female.
They spend - all their lives, practising this dynamic, chasing eachother around and checking if everyone are strong, fit for the fight and each juvenile fish knows how to flee from bigger predators (which is why the small fishes wanna be in the anemones, to flee from bigger predators by dodging them around their anemone, Phil, you are forcing me to state all the obvious, I feel like you forced me to pull out all your nails).
And should any one fish be found to weak for playing, it is forced to flee or be killed there, fishes are not humane creatures.
The other reason that this quote and one above are not true is that newly hatched anemone fish spend the first ~2 weeks of their lives in the plankton layer. Studies show that clownfish babies don't settle into the anemones where they were born. In this particular study, clowns in their study settled closer to their parent anemone than they thought they would, but still not in their parent's anemone.
I hope I remembered to mention that the 80% vs. 20% balance was to be found in the biggest (regional alphas)fishes of the areas?
The biggest families are getting all the attention from all juveniles, basically all the kids wanna go live with the royal families, regardless where they are born.
No family can recruit all the juveniles and they will chase away the weaker specimens that disperse to take other choices. Just like what happens everywhere else in nature but I guess you became confused because you did not catch that I am talking about the core knowledge of the species, not a little study of their everyday doings.
You say that your only source of information is from the experts and their reports. Could you supply links to those reports, because I have read the reports of experts (both hobbiest and scientist) and spoken with many of them personally and much of your information just doesn't match up with my 40 years of keeping anemone fish and their host anemones or any of the articles, books or reports I have read.
Again, I think many people inhere could do with reading alittle on WetWebMedia but I cannot just mention that because then you trolly and hostile guys just try to accuse me of working for that site and ask me to be blocked from here and we can all do with less drama now Phil.
Be careful with becoming the biggest hobbyist a full 40 years ago and then bark at the new information as it surfaces.
For the final time Phil, a generous offer but no, I will not deliver you the internet link to my claim to reading something about magnetism or anything else that I have read, you have zero idea about how much information one person can read through their lives and sorry, I just do it for me, I am NOT a professor, and I do NOT get paid to pass these mountains of human research on to anybody, nor to keep lists of where they were publish, what do you think this is, your kindergarten teacher??
I do not know why that argument makes you feel strong but you do repeat it a lot.
Let us just admit that you have become somewhat archaic in the hobby although you started out in the more pioneer-hobbyist age and you unfortunately generalise about clownfishes a lot and I simply tried to force you to eat new information but you didn't wanna do that for some reason.
