phender
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Your responses to my post don't seem to be very coherent. Could it be that English is not your primary language?
Again, I would like to know where you are getting your information. (Seriously, a link to a website or a book title would be helpful.) While the tomato clown clad is generally red in color, most of the other highly aggressive clowns (chrysopterus, the clarkii clad, akindynos, etc. ) are brown and white. I have kept 7-8 different species of clowns in my 40 years of raising and breeding clowns in reef tank set-ups(including A. percula and ocellaris) and I would have to say that 99% of the time, they spent their time calmly lounging in their anemone or exploring their tank.
It would be impossible for clownfish to live with their grandparents. Only one breeding pair exists per anemone. For grandparents to be in the anemone that would mean they would have had to stop breeding and given up their breeding rights to a subordinate pair,(one of which would have to be their offspring) which doesn't happen. What is the source of your info?
Adult clownfish don't care for their young. Once the eggs hatch, the parents are done. The breeding pair in an anemone spend most of their time harassing the subordinate fish in their anemone, not teaching them lessons.
The other reason that this quote and one above are not true is that newly hatched anemone fish spend the first ~2 weeks of their lives in the plankton layer. Studies show that clownfish babies don't settle into the anemones where they were born. In this particular study, clowns in their study settled closer to their parent anemone than they thought they would, but still not in their parent's anemone. "Here, we solve the mystery of the natal origin of clownfish (Amphiprion polymnus) juveniles by mass-marking via tetracycline immersion all larvae produced in a population. In addition, we established parentage by DNA genotyping all potential adults and all new recruits arriving in the population. Although no individuals settled into the same anemone as their parents, many settled remarkably close to home. Even though this species has a 9–12 day larval duration, one-third of settled juveniles had returned to a 2 hectare natal area, with many settling <100 m from their birth site." (click to see the entire study)
You say that your only source of information is from the experts and their reports. Could you supply links to those reports, because I have read the reports of experts (both hobbiest and scientist) and spoken with many of them personally and much of your information just doesn't match up with my 40 years of keeping anemone fish and their host anemones or any of the articles, books or reports I have read.
Anemonefishes are a damsel and quite old. They are based in nesting in family groups and comes in several distinct types. They are also very different from one another. They have the commonality of being anemonefishes, so your generalisation seems brought on by either a need to cherry-pick your arguments or general lack of knowledge about the fishes.
The more aggressive types are easily recognisable on them being more red, and much larger, than the commonly kept amphiprion percula and a. ocellaris. Although some people use the more aggressive behaviour to endorse mixing clownfish with reef swimmers, none of the fishes live in that close proximity to eachother in the wild and the fish will live it's whole life in *defend my territory* behaviour mode, which is somewhat limiting the natural behaviour of the creature.
Again, I would like to know where you are getting your information. (Seriously, a link to a website or a book title would be helpful.) While the tomato clown clad is generally red in color, most of the other highly aggressive clowns (chrysopterus, the clarkii clad, akindynos, etc. ) are brown and white. I have kept 7-8 different species of clowns in my 40 years of raising and breeding clowns in reef tank set-ups(including A. percula and ocellaris) and I would have to say that 99% of the time, they spent their time calmly lounging in their anemone or exploring their tank.
They survive by teaching each other how to use the ocean currents to their advantage, while living with parent- and sometimes even grandparent-generations in their nesting family.
It would be impossible for clownfish to live with their grandparents. Only one breeding pair exists per anemone. For grandparents to be in the anemone that would mean they would have had to stop breeding and given up their breeding rights to a subordinate pair,(one of which would have to be their offspring) which doesn't happen. What is the source of your info?
For well established a. polymnus nests, the selfrequirement vs. strangerrecruitment in the wild was aprox 80% vs. 20%. ........... If they have sand-dwelling anemones the females may dig around to supply better sleeping grounds for her young, and she will show her swimming skills to young that is possible still in the process of recruitment into the family.
Adult clownfish don't care for their young. Once the eggs hatch, the parents are done. The breeding pair in an anemone spend most of their time harassing the subordinate fish in their anemone, not teaching them lessons.
The other reason that this quote and one above are not true is that newly hatched anemone fish spend the first ~2 weeks of their lives in the plankton layer. Studies show that clownfish babies don't settle into the anemones where they were born. In this particular study, clowns in their study settled closer to their parent anemone than they thought they would, but still not in their parent's anemone. "Here, we solve the mystery of the natal origin of clownfish (Amphiprion polymnus) juveniles by mass-marking via tetracycline immersion all larvae produced in a population. In addition, we established parentage by DNA genotyping all potential adults and all new recruits arriving in the population. Although no individuals settled into the same anemone as their parents, many settled remarkably close to home. Even though this species has a 9–12 day larval duration, one-third of settled juveniles had returned to a 2 hectare natal area, with many settling <100 m from their birth site." (click to see the entire study)
You say that your only source of information is from the experts and their reports. Could you supply links to those reports, because I have read the reports of experts (both hobbiest and scientist) and spoken with many of them personally and much of your information just doesn't match up with my 40 years of keeping anemone fish and their host anemones or any of the articles, books or reports I have read.