Help... something is eating my KH (redsea buffer B)

tenurepro

New member
Hi folks... new to dosing, and having an issue that has me going nuts!!!
ok... using Redsea reef foundation dosing (Ca + KH) and test kit on 2 wk old tank (with livestock moved from smaller tank). The problem, in a nut shell, is i am trying to set my tank to Kh target of 12.6 for accelerated growth of sps frags, but my dosing doesn't seem to actually raise KH.... could something be buffering Kh changes ?

so, on the 26 of june, tank parameters were:
KH 9.8, Ca 430 ppm. that required an increase of 2.8 kh and 35 ppm Ca... i decided to spread the needed amount of buffer A (Ca) and buffer B (Kh) over 4 days to avoid shocking the system. The powders were dissolved in rodi water per kit recommendation (500 g/l for Ca, 100 g/l for Kh). For my 200L tank, this required adding 164 ml of buffer B (kh) and 35 ml of buffer (A (Ca) over 4 days, which i added to the tank in a high flow area.

so, today (2 july), i check the parameters again hoping that i will be close to targets. Ca was 455 -> almost bang on (target 465 ppm), but KH was 10! (instead of 12.6). That meant that my tank essentially buffered the addition of 2.8 kh over 4 days.

a little annoyed, i decided to add the equivalent of 1.4 KH to the tank today (1 single dose of 82.35 ml buffer B - trickled in a high flow area of the tank). I did that about 6 hours ago, and i just tested the parameters, and the Kh is actually still 10 ....

Ok, whats happening. i tried another kit (API) and validated that tank Kh was 10, so it is not a testing issue. i also decided to trouble shoot my mixing of buffer B. I took a 200 ml cup of tank water and tested Kh -> 10 as expected. i then added 1 ml of buffer B to the cup of tank water... this should contain 0.1 g of KH, which should raise alkalinity by 4+ degrees. I tested the alkalnity of the cup, and it was indeed over 14 Kh.

so, i know that the buffer was mixed correctly and that the test kits are accurate. my only conclusion is that the tank is consuming a large amount of alkalinity, or that something is buffering the change in alkalinity? (deep sand bed - arag-alive fiji pink?... could the skimmer be taking out my Kh molecules ? )

So not sure what to do...
i guess i can keep adding the daily max of Kh and test to see if KH will creep up.
that begs another question... is the daily increase of KH based on actual changes in KH of the tank, or supplement added--->
So, should i only add the maximum amount of buffer that should theoretically increase Kh by 1.4 (not factoring consumption / buffering), or should i keep adding buffer till i actually change the tanks Kh by 1.4?

thanks for your help!
 
You maybe saturated for calcium and all you are doing is getting precipitation of the additional alk.
 
Hmm... good thought. I did a littler reading -> http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2002/11/chemistry and i see your point about saturating Ca... My starting Ca level was 430 ppm, and my plan was to increase both Kh from 9 to 12 and Ca from 430 to 460 over 4 days. i added the calculated daily doses over 4 time points during each day, and i alternated Kh and Ca, waiting 10 min between. But perhaps things were a little bit unbalanced from the start...
I tested the water this morning, Kh was 10. which was the same value as last night. I then added 74 ml of redsea buffer B, which should raise my 200l system to a little over 1kh. I then immediately tested the water, and the tank was at 11 kh. again showing that the buffer is doing what it is supposed to be doing. i'll test again in a hour. If alk was simply precipitation out of solution, then i should see levels lower than 11 kh....

thanks your the thoughts GMay... Remember all.... if you are not part of the solution, your are part of the precipitate!
 
A lot of tanks consume 2-3 dKH per day, so the rate of consumption you've reported is fairly common. Do you see a lot of tannish buildups on surfaces? That might indicate some precipitation, although the tank's parameters are fine, and shouldn't be a problem.
 
A lot of tanks consume 2-3 dKH per day, so the rate of consumption you've reported is fairly common. Do you see a lot of tannish buildups on surfaces? That might indicate some precipitation, although the tank's parameters are fine, and shouldn't be a problem.



Thanks B... If it's consumption, then do you think it wise to dose 2 or 3 kh per day to keep things stable?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
You are running a huge risk with your alk that high. I get amazing growth on my sps (I just restarted after aefw and lost a lot, and fragged a ton) with my alk around 8. You really run the risk of burning the tips, or out and out killing them. Lower the alk down into the 8's.

I find the colours amazing, and they really encrust with lower alk.
 
Thanks Reel for your thoughts. I am sure your tank is doing really well. The alk levels that I am targeting are high bit should be balanced with Ca and Mg which - I don't think - should not be very risky. The levels that I am aiming for are recommended for fast growth of sps frags, and are in line with the chemistry of Redsea' coral pro salt.
Seems like my supplements are finally working. Hit 12kh today


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
The generally recommended range for alkalinity is 7 to 11 dKH. Some tanks that get carbon dosing seem to do better at the low end of the range.

My soft coral tanks got a 2-3 dKH dose of alkalinity every morning for years due to coralline growth. For stony corals, I might use a dosing pump of some sort to keep the alkalinity level more stable, but you might be fine with a single dose.
 
Thanks potatohead. Granted it is higher than levels for mature systems, but I am trying to follow Redsea's foundation program for growth of sps frags... Will give it a go then decide if it is worth it or not. I generally like their products hence willingness to try out their method.

Ps. After a few days, my kh is 12 and Ca is 460


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
12 dKH likely is safe enough, and it might produce more growth. As long as the animals are doing well, it's a reasonable experiment to try, IMO.
 
Back
Top