Well put billsreef. I am an algae paste user so you are right, I have to keep them a bit cleaner. I envy your live phyto. I haven't the space or the time for that too. haha. I have only used my rots for seahorse fry and haven't ever needed more that gallon containers to satistfy my fry since they only eat the rots for about the first two weeks. But we are coming up on breeding season sooo, i may be using five gallon tanks soon as well! I agree that syphening is a valuable skill in this hobby for sure! I have found that a squeegee of some sort to scrape the gunk up first is wonderful. Even an old credit card, one thats been paid off you know haha, will work. Good luck with all your fries guys!