How is my QT plan?

[keithhays]

Starting a new system and wanted to verify that my new plan on quarantining the fish was good before I began.

After fish are received, get RO/DI water and match the temperature and ph to the bag water fish comes in. Acclimate the temp and add the fish for a 30 min FW dip.

After, place fish in first hospital tank and let settle overnight.
1st hospital tank will be about 30g with heater, thermometer, pvc, bubbler, and small powerhead. Adding ammonia remover when needed.
Add prazipro and watch for 7 days. Trying to feed prepared foods after first night.
After prazi is finished, Begin TTM by switching to second tank.
After 3 days switch again... and so on until the full 12 days is up.

After TTM is finished, treat again with Prazipro for 7 days and watch.

Once second prazi treatment is complete, move to Quarantine tank, which this time includes protein skimmer and bio filter.
Watch for additional 2 weeks to look for any symptoms of parasites or the like, make sure is feeding well, and if all is good, add to tank.

What do you think of this? I was contemplating also adding a cupramine dose after the second prazi dose, but not sure. I understand that this is a lot of treatment, but with the ttm i will have zero chance of ich, which is amazing. And prazi should not be too stressful on the fish, and i've read 1 treatment is not always enough.


Anything you would do differently? Should I add anything?
Please let me know.

You have to decide what you are going to preemptively treat for and on what type of fish, and then which things you are not preemptively treating for. Many people will treat all fish for worms and ich, and treat all anemone fish for brooklynella. Beyond that you need to know enough about enough about the species so that you know if they are chronically plagued by certain diseases in the hobby. The "in the hobby" part is important, what happens to fish in the ocean is completely irrelevant, so it does not apply unless you have a few hundred million gallons in your tank. Your QT system should reflect your decision on these things. Overall, your QT system doesn't seem bad, but maybe overly complicated. No protein skimmers are needed unless you also have a long term holding tank in the mix. The fish will be in the QT system for 10 weeks or more so you will want to plan for that.


For fresh water baths see here: http://www.reefland.com/forum/marin...tment/18887-freshwater-dip-marine-fishes.html

As an aside, I would say that if you are squeamish about certain types of treatments that will almost certainly need to be done, you will need to get over that. Copper or cupramine is the acceptable treatment for Marine ich which will come in from even the best vendors, so you will need to be able to use it. Buy it read the instructions and determine what you need to setup to achieve treatment based on manufactures instructions and for the given size fish you will be QT'ing.

 

[10reefman]

what is TTM?

 

[keithhays]

what is TTM?

This is switching a fish from tank to tank in the hope that every parasite will eventually drop off the fish. I have yet to actually meet anyone where there was a confirmed case of ich and it worked. This to me is playing the odds when the odds are completely out of your favor. At least I think that's what he means.

 

[Dmorty217]

Search tank transfer method on here and you will find the thread

 

[KayHouse]

There is a sticky on this thread for TTM. By understanding the life cycle of marin Ich, and how it develops, if done right, the TTM is a way to completely rid yourself of ich. Not of any other parasites or diseases, only Ich. There is a sticky up in this thread if you want to read more.

Keith: Thanks for the words, and yeah that's the same write up I read earlier, that's where I got 30 min dips from. How long do you dip for? Have you tried that process?

 

[wooden_reefer]

DmortY: Thank You Very Much For The Advise. The Only Reason I Thought To Do Prazi First Was To Let The Fish Sit A Few Extra Days In A Single Tank To Help It Eat Prior To The TTM, But I Do See No Need For A Second Treatment If I Cant See Anything Wrong. It Seems As You Know What You Are Doing, And I Like It This Is What I Plan On.

Wooden: You May Have Over 30 Years Of Experience, R As Ive Found In A Post You Stated Last Year 25 Years... Either Way,I Have Gone Through About 100 Posts Of Yours, And From Your Rude Ways Of Bashing Others And Disrespectfull Words, I Have Chosen To Not Listen To Your Words. I Am Trying To Be Respectful, Though I Did Not See You Do The Same In Past Threads And Gently Let You Know ThaT Your Opinions And Teachings Will Overlooked. Im Sorry, But I Just Dont Wish To Take Advicw From A Person Who Comes Across As Selfish, Rude, And Irrational.
As Far As MyPost. TTM Is Not My Sole Remedy In Quarantine. It Is One Stage, To Rid Ick Only.Nothing More. I Am Not Using TtM For Velvet, Fungus, Lice, Or Any Other Bugs, Just Ich. Along With That, I Plan On Dosing Prazi, And Cup. And After All Of That, I Will Observe To See How The Fish Responds. If I Do This With Every Specimen, Then I Will Never Need To Worry About A DT Breakout Of Ich Because I Would Have Never Introduced It To The Display. Easy Peasy.
As Far As Work, I Understand That It May Be More Work To Do It This Way, Than Others, But It Is The One I Have Chosen, And I Understand The Work That It Will Take. To Have An Aquarium Completely Ick Free, Guaranteed, It Is Worth The Extra Time And Work Imo.
Again I Apologize For Being Rude, But It Seems As Though You Werent Trying To Help Me Find A Better Solution, Just Bagging On A Single Method Of Treatment.

Scribb: I Will Have To Look More, I Would Hate To Tuen My New Fish Into A Floater

Good luck to you

 

[KayHouse]

Thank you.

 

[rickjd]

I have never heard of a 30 min FW bath. Did you actually try this? Im curious - did the fish die before the 30 minutes were up? I have only given maybe 5 to 6 minutes baths and the fish really begin to struggle. And then they usually died anyway within the next day or so. So I am totally against FW baths. It seems to be a torture treatment for a fish that is already suffering from a disease attack. Has anyone ever had any luck with FW baths?

 

[KayHouse]

I have heard that it can take a minimum of 5 minutes for many stow aways to even begin to fall off, but don't quote me on that. I have only in my very young reefing years done a FW bath, and only for a couple of minutes. Never had any deaths, but i went away from that a long time ago. Have done some reading on it again, but have not tried as of late.

 

[keithhays]

There is a sticky on this thread for TTM. By understanding the life cycle of marin Ich, and how it develops, if done right, the TTM is a way to completely rid yourself of ich. Not of any other parasites or diseases, only Ich. There is a sticky up in this thread if you want to read more.

Keith: Thanks for the words, and yeah that's the same write up I read earlier, that's where I got 30 min dips from. How long do you dip for? Have you tried that process?

I had been doing dips using this method upto 15 minutes prior to seeing this method which also incorporates methylene blue. I am beginning this process exactly as he has now for stocking everything in my new 300 gallon system. The important part of this method is that you are really doing a series of 5 minute dips and checking for stress. I haven't had any die at the 15 minute interval I had been using.