how long do you watch mouth of new haddoni before treatment?

[Tango451]

Just to know, how long after acclimating a new haddoni do you watch the mouth for before starting treatment?

I.E. Acclimated new haddoni, no deflate, foot attached, but mouth open and varyin from medium open to small open where one can always see the white ( not sticking out, and sometimes hallow in appearance).

Do you treat because of a persistent open mouth/ hallow mouth (which could also be a sign of stress, especially during first few days in aquarium - please correct me if I'm wrong) or would you wait until you saw it deflate? In other words in order to know an anemone needs treatment is when it deflates/ inflates many times?

 

[nemmy]

I'd wait for a deflate but I'm not an expert with experience with multiple haddoni. If you ever see it scrunch down like a donut and see its insides push out I'd highly recommend medicating. I've had my haddoni probably a year now and he still does odd stuff with his mouth. Lots of times he's got a slightly open mouth and you can see some white but the mouth still looks firm. I'd wait for other haddoni users to chime in but I personally haven't had a problem with mines mouth being cracked.

 

[Tango451]

Yeah, I think cycled deflation is the clearest indicator of its time for treatment. Jut as well, I am still wondering if the mouth does not close tight and has that hallow look for more than a few days then treatment is necessary since the sooner infection is caught, the better the chance for the haddoni and they are great at hiding sickness.

 

[m0nkie]

IME, I treat when I see:

-deflation, inflation
-gapping mouth
-black expels, rat poop,
-unable to retain shape

since I have multiple haddoni, I pro-actively treat almost all new incomers. but IME, black rat poop expel is a very clear indication it's sick.. sometimes their mouth gap during first day or two, that's fine imo.. but if there's any rat poop expel along with gap mouth, I'd treat right away.

inflation, deflation, pancake, or unable to retain shape = they need serious treatment soon

 

[Tango451]

would you consider a hollow mouth to be a different form of gaping but under the same umbrella for gaping?

/ have your experiences been that it is normal to sometimes have a hollow mouth for the first days?

 

[m0nkie]

hollow as in mouth open like a circle and you see the insides? that's gapping to me.

some pictures might help.

fyi.. I received a few healthy Haddoni from DD, out of the bag their mouth was closed and never opened once. There may be a little inverted bubble coming out of mouth, that's ok for a day.

the ones I buy from LFS that has open mouth all required treatment

 

[nemmy]

Mines mouth looks like this at times. Like I said had him a year maybe and no issues. It comes and goes though he does close it completely.

 

[OrionN]

My very first Gigantea had an open mouth for a long time. I worry and fretted about it for a long time. He seem fine and still around I guess 4 years now. I would not worry too much about it as long as he does not deflates.

 

[Tango451]

My very first Gigantea had an open mouth for a long time. I worry and fretted about it for a long time. He seem fine and still around I guess 4 years now. I would not worry too much about it as long as he does not deflates.

Ok, good to hear. This is his second night. He has not deflated yet, and it appears that the mouth closes the most at night - the mouth is not super tight yet and does flap when water is pushed at his mouth via pipette . I did notice tonight after lights out that there are some very, very small black pellets that I have been removing with a pipette, but other than that he is extremely responsive. I think I am going to give him another day or two, but I have an empty ht waiting just in case.

IME, I treat when I see:

-deflation, inflation
-gapping mouth
-black expels, rat poop,
-unable to retain shape

since I have multiple haddoni, I pro-actively treat almost all new incomers. but IME, black rat poop expel is a very clear indication it's sick.. sometimes their mouth gap during first day or two, that's fine imo.. but if there's any rat poop expel along with gap mouth, I'd treat right away.

inflation, deflation, pancake, or unable to retain shape = they need serious treatment soon

Couldn't the tiny black pellets also be just from stress, or is it only indicative of an infection? He was also in the LFS for 24 hours and the salinity he was in was at 1.019 (crazy low) which did not help at all. I acclimated him over a few hours to 1.025.

 

[Tango451]

Stumbled upon this study, even though it is not on carpets, it is pretty interesting. Essentially it is saying exposure to hyposalinity causes causes expulsion of zooxanthellae and the haddoni in question was kept in 1.019 for 24 hours or a little more and now expelling zoo as very small black pellets. Though in the study it appears the anemones mouths remained tightly closed versus mine which is not currently

https://scholarspace.manoa.hawaii.edu/handle/10125/2297 there is a link to view/download the pdf if anyone would like to read it

 

[Dkuhlmann]

I would start treatment right away. I think this is a case of it's better to be safe than sorry.

 

[Tango451]

treatment was started this afternoon. I have not seem him deflate yet, but today he was looking smaller and the zoo pellets were larger. He was attached very well in the qt tank and responded by balling up when I went to move him to the ht - but he has not yet attached his foot in the ht (keeping my fingers crossed he does).

I am considering putting a large piece of pvc and placing his foot in it while in the ht to make it easier to attach, but someone once mentioned that can hurt their treatment?

 

[Daniel62]

I have treated all my haddoni with out the pvc pipe with no problems.

 

[OrionN]

I would put something heavy in the HT so he attach to it. It is easier to move him around to clean the HT and not stressed him out. I often use a mug. When it is time to put him back to DT I just being the mug over. Once he attach to where I want him to I just remove the mug

 

[OrionN]

PVC pipe or mug make no different. I favor something heavy and inert. Not having a lot of bacterial like LR.
I use LR in HT also when I don't want to stress the anemone by remove him from the LR

 

[Tango451]

Ah ok, going to put a heavy mug in and take the pvc out- it's too light. I gently removed the pvc last night and this morning he attached to the bottom of the ht. And this morning the mouth looked almost closed, then the inverted "white bubble" but it looked firm and went back to flush with the mouth. I do not believe he has deflated at all yet, just tons of black pellets being produced and I am removing them whenever I see them. Last night was his second night of treatment and I am hoping by tomorrow or the next day the mouth is fully closed or at least almost fully closed