It seems you're not too clear on the info about regals. I'd suggest your postpone your buying of one till you read the thread on here about them. FYI...most regals die, you best success would be had after you read the thread and see how many different ways there are to get it to eat and survive long term.
How Many of You Have Angels?
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It seems you're not too clear on the info about regals. I'd suggest your postpone your buying of one till you read the thread on here about them. FYI...most regals die, you best success would be had after you read the thread and see how many different ways there are to get it to eat and survive long term.
I would aviod the regal until you know all that you can learn about it.
I have a watanabei pair and just got half a dozen swallowtails. I would check out the genicanthus angels. Check out this article:
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-02/hcs3/index.php
I have a watanabei pair and just got half a dozen swallowtails. I would check out the genicanthus angels. Check out this article:
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-02/hcs3/index.php
xinumaster
reef addict
I just recently bought a coral beauty from another hobbiest and it wasn't picking on any of my corals.
nbd13
New member
143gadgets- first some info for you on the regal angel....
Have you read the thread in the reef fish forum here on RC? if not it is a must read IMO.
Is this your first angel? if it is i woudl suggest another one first before you try a regal.
If you have kept angels before then i would still be hesitant to get one. Even though that thread i mentioned above documents the success that people are having, it does NOT mention all the deaths. People that buy these guys and have them die will not post on that thread. Just something to think about.
not trying to turn this into a "bash" thread, just giving some honest advice....
ok now onto my "trick";
DISCLAIMER- i cannont say 100% that if you get a fish from this online vendor that it will be 100% safe.
ok first off, i think people do not understand "picking" and "nipping".
Here is an excellent quote by Dave Botwin (o2manyfish) from another board,
"I have noticed 2 different behaviors.
a) The occassional nipping at corals and such... The angels and even tangs are always looking for food. What some people see as nipping, someone else may view differently. My experience is that nipping for food could merely be pods, bits of detritus, algae on the coral, - things the fish see that we don't that the fish are feeding on.
b) The decimation of corals - Since I have lots of experience with corals RTN'ing - as most of my corals are rescues - Once the tissue starts to peel, almost all fish line up to start pulling the coral clean. Angels, tangs and blennies. But even after feasting on declining corals for a week, they leave the healthy corals alone.
c) However, when dealing with an Angel who like corals - eg; a singapore angel, passers angel, my experience with imperators. Once they decide to like something - whether SPS, LPS or Zoos - There is no question and the flavor they desire is something they will satiate till a coral or colony is destroyed.
I think people have to really study what it is the angel behavior is. The occassional nipping is more likely the angel taking the opportunity to feed on something besides the coral that the viewer misinterprets.
I mean lets be realistic. If you drop a cube of any frozen food in the tank, most angels, and tangs will keep picking at the food until it's gone. They won't take a single bite out of the cube and then move on to find something else.
Hence using fish behavior and logic. If the angel was truly nipping the polyps off - cause it was feeding - doubtful it would take a single polyp and then head off to play chase the mandarin for an hour.
Just my thoughts
Dave B"
I hope Dave does not get mad about me quoting him
Anyway here's my secert...
I have gotten all my angels from Sedar @ phishybusiness.com.
As i mentioned in a previous post on this thread, you are taking a risk (50/50 type thing).
BUT the are a couple things i like about this fish i get from Sedar.
1. He always quaratines all his fish for a minimum of 2 weeks. He does this to insure they are eating well and disease free. I think this is a very nice procedure to do. All the fish i have received from Sedar have been fat and healthy...
2. You may pay alittle more for a fish, BUT you get a healthy eating fish.
3. Sedar can try to get you any angel you want. Notice i say "try" because sometimes he cannot get a particular fish. You may wait awhile to get the fish in, but it's worth it IMO/IME.
4. This is the MAIN thing for me....
If you talk with Sedar and ask him, he will put the fish with SPS or LPS, or whatever coral it may be. He will tell you how the fish is with the corals.
So far Sedar has put all the angels i have gotten from him with SPS and so far these fish have not touched any of my corals (mostly SPS, few LPS/clams/zoos).
It's nice to have Sedar do this, i mean let's face it; you will not have to risk your corals, haha.
anyway Sedar is a super nice, honest guy. He can get soem nice fish!
oh 143gadgets- Sedar get's Red Sea Regal angels in once in awhile, and best of all he gets them eating!
anyway i hope i did not break any rules. If i did Mods please edit the post.
Hope this helps some people, again if you would like more info please PM me and i would be happy to help you out....
Nick
Have you read the thread in the reef fish forum here on RC? if not it is a must read IMO.
Is this your first angel? if it is i woudl suggest another one first before you try a regal.
If you have kept angels before then i would still be hesitant to get one. Even though that thread i mentioned above documents the success that people are having, it does NOT mention all the deaths. People that buy these guys and have them die will not post on that thread. Just something to think about.
not trying to turn this into a "bash" thread, just giving some honest advice....
ok now onto my "trick";
DISCLAIMER- i cannont say 100% that if you get a fish from this online vendor that it will be 100% safe.
ok first off, i think people do not understand "picking" and "nipping".
Here is an excellent quote by Dave Botwin (o2manyfish) from another board,
"I have noticed 2 different behaviors.
a) The occassional nipping at corals and such... The angels and even tangs are always looking for food. What some people see as nipping, someone else may view differently. My experience is that nipping for food could merely be pods, bits of detritus, algae on the coral, - things the fish see that we don't that the fish are feeding on.
b) The decimation of corals - Since I have lots of experience with corals RTN'ing - as most of my corals are rescues - Once the tissue starts to peel, almost all fish line up to start pulling the coral clean. Angels, tangs and blennies. But even after feasting on declining corals for a week, they leave the healthy corals alone.
c) However, when dealing with an Angel who like corals - eg; a singapore angel, passers angel, my experience with imperators. Once they decide to like something - whether SPS, LPS or Zoos - There is no question and the flavor they desire is something they will satiate till a coral or colony is destroyed.
I think people have to really study what it is the angel behavior is. The occassional nipping is more likely the angel taking the opportunity to feed on something besides the coral that the viewer misinterprets.
I mean lets be realistic. If you drop a cube of any frozen food in the tank, most angels, and tangs will keep picking at the food until it's gone. They won't take a single bite out of the cube and then move on to find something else.
Hence using fish behavior and logic. If the angel was truly nipping the polyps off - cause it was feeding - doubtful it would take a single polyp and then head off to play chase the mandarin for an hour.
Just my thoughts
Dave B"
I hope Dave does not get mad about me quoting him
Anyway here's my secert...
I have gotten all my angels from Sedar @ phishybusiness.com.
As i mentioned in a previous post on this thread, you are taking a risk (50/50 type thing).
BUT the are a couple things i like about this fish i get from Sedar.
1. He always quaratines all his fish for a minimum of 2 weeks. He does this to insure they are eating well and disease free. I think this is a very nice procedure to do. All the fish i have received from Sedar have been fat and healthy...
2. You may pay alittle more for a fish, BUT you get a healthy eating fish.
3. Sedar can try to get you any angel you want. Notice i say "try" because sometimes he cannot get a particular fish. You may wait awhile to get the fish in, but it's worth it IMO/IME.
4. This is the MAIN thing for me....
If you talk with Sedar and ask him, he will put the fish with SPS or LPS, or whatever coral it may be. He will tell you how the fish is with the corals.
So far Sedar has put all the angels i have gotten from him with SPS and so far these fish have not touched any of my corals (mostly SPS, few LPS/clams/zoos).
It's nice to have Sedar do this, i mean let's face it; you will not have to risk your corals, haha.
anyway Sedar is a super nice, honest guy. He can get soem nice fish!
oh 143gadgets- Sedar get's Red Sea Regal angels in once in awhile, and best of all he gets them eating!
anyway i hope i did not break any rules. If i did Mods please edit the post.
Hope this helps some people, again if you would like more info please PM me and i would be happy to help you out....
Nick
I have had a majestic for about 18 months with no probs with any SPS or clams. The only coral he picked on was a Jardini which was damaged by another coral first (He co-existed with the jardini for several months before hand). I also have a flame that is a model citizen.
Cheers
Paul
Cheers
Paul
Kinetic
Active member
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6918978#post6918978 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nbd13
143gadgets- first some info for you on the regal angel....
Have you read the thread in the reef fish forum here on RC? if not it is a must read IMO.
Is this your first angel? if it is i woudl suggest another one first before you try a regal.
If you have kept angels before then i would still be hesitant to get one. Even though that thread i mentioned above documents the success that people are having, it does NOT mention all the deaths. People that buy these guys and have them die will not post on that thread. Just something to think about.
not trying to turn this into a "bash" thread, just giving some honest advice....
ok now onto my "trick";
DISCLAIMER- i cannont say 100% that if you get a fish from this online vendor that it will be 100% safe.
ok first off, i think people do not understand "picking" and "nipping".
Here is an excellent quote by Dave Botwin (o2manyfish) from another board,
"I have noticed 2 different behaviors.
a) The occassional nipping at corals and such... The angels and even tangs are always looking for food. What some people see as nipping, someone else may view differently. My experience is that nipping for food could merely be pods, bits of detritus, algae on the coral, - things the fish see that we don't that the fish are feeding on.
b) The decimation of corals - Since I have lots of experience with corals RTN'ing - as most of my corals are rescues - Once the tissue starts to peel, almost all fish line up to start pulling the coral clean. Angels, tangs and blennies. But even after feasting on declining corals for a week, they leave the healthy corals alone.
c) However, when dealing with an Angel who like corals - eg; a singapore angel, passers angel, my experience with imperators. Once they decide to like something - whether SPS, LPS or Zoos - There is no question and the flavor they desire is something they will satiate till a coral or colony is destroyed.
I think people have to really study what it is the angel behavior is. The occassional nipping is more likely the angel taking the opportunity to feed on something besides the coral that the viewer misinterprets.
I mean lets be realistic. If you drop a cube of any frozen food in the tank, most angels, and tangs will keep picking at the food until it's gone. They won't take a single bite out of the cube and then move on to find something else.
Hence using fish behavior and logic. If the angel was truly nipping the polyps off - cause it was feeding - doubtful it would take a single polyp and then head off to play chase the mandarin for an hour.
Just my thoughts
Dave B"
I hope Dave does not get mad about me quoting him
Anyway here's my secert...
I have gotten all my angels from Sedar @ phishybusiness.com.
As i mentioned in a previous post on this thread, you are taking a risk (50/50 type thing).
BUT the are a couple things i like about this fish i get from Sedar.
1. He always quaratines all his fish for a minimum of 2 weeks. He does this to insure they are eating well and disease free. I think this is a very nice procedure to do. All the fish i have received from Sedar have been fat and healthy...
2. You may pay alittle more for a fish, BUT you get a healthy eating fish.
3. Sedar can try to get you any angel you want. Notice i say "try" because sometimes he cannot get a particular fish. You may wait awhile to get the fish in, but it's worth it IMO/IME.
4. This is the MAIN thing for me....
If you talk with Sedar and ask him, he will put the fish with SPS or LPS, or whatever coral it may be. He will tell you how the fish is with the corals.
So far Sedar has put all the angels i have gotten from him with SPS and so far these fish have not touched any of my corals (mostly SPS, few LPS/clams/zoos).
It's nice to have Sedar do this, i mean let's face it; you will not have to risk your corals, haha.
anyway Sedar is a super nice, honest guy. He can get soem nice fish!
oh 143gadgets- Sedar get's Red Sea Regal angels in once in awhile, and best of all he gets them eating!
anyway i hope i did not break any rules. If i did Mods please edit the post.
Hope this helps some people, again if you would like more info please PM me and i would be happy to help you out....
Nick
Nick:
I was going to do the same with a very young flame angel, test it out in a QT tank for about a month (more like a tank connected to the main system) and introduce a couple pieces of not so important brown acros etc.
But really, they may not nip at first, but a month or two later, a year or two later, goes to town on all your corals. It can happen.
My flame angel never touched a coral for 2 weeks or more. I was like "whew, I'm safe"
one day I come home, he's picking at a clean digitata skeleton that was in full bloom the day before. I put in another frag of digitata, and watched him eat the entire thing. Eating I mean tearing off live tissue. The polyps contracted, but never came back out.
so it is better assurance the angel won't nip, but it's definately not close to 100%, still at 50%.
nbd13
New member
Guess i forgot to mention, on key IMO is to keep them well feed.
I feed 2x a day morning and night with frozen meaty foods. Both angels love this.
also throughout the day there is Nori available for them to munch on. I would say the 2 angels along with 3 tangs and a foxface go through a full sheet a day....
I think having the nori in there greatly helps. They get much much much more nourishment from the nori than coral polyps. So, the angels would rather eat the nori...
Not saying it couldn't happen. Like the "disclaimer" said and like i said before it's 50/50.....
these are just my experiences.
also i have had the joculator for a month and the Interruptus for probably 4-5 months....
I am not going to lie, angels are a risk. BUT if Sedar puts them with SPS and they do not nip for the first 1-2 weeks in his tanks with all sorts of SPS, i would MUCH rather take that angel or and angel from a LFS.
I mean your chances are greatly improved this way. NOT to say it the angel couldn't start nipping.
BUT there is a difference between nipping and destruction like you noticed.
also when you put the angel in the tank you have to realize something......
koden- your fish came from the wild right? went straight into your tank?
if that's the case that's the problem IME.
think about it..... the angel comes from the wild, is in the LFS for what a couple days, then goes into your tank.
It needs time to adjust to captivity, not to mention captive food. So, the intial 2-3 weeks when it adjusts to your tank and finds alternative food sources.
Again that's why i like Sedar, when the fish is adjusting to captive life, he starts it eating on captive food (flakes/frozen). So when he puts it in with SPS it is less likely to eat the corals, because it does not look at them as food. The fish looks at the frozen of flake as food....
Again angels are a risk, BUT there are certain things you can do to less the chance.
1. get a healthy angel
2. Either quaratine it or have someone else do it
3. During the quaratining proccess make SURE to get it eating whatever food you will feed(frozen or flake). Most angels need some type of algae, so give it to them (nori and so on..)
4. Put SPS in with it (brown-outs or frags) in with the angel. See what it does. You will be able to tell if it is picking or not. Note the difference between picking something we cannot see and picking the polyps...
5. When you introduce the angel to the main tank, make sure you feed it well. Have something for it to pick on throughout the day (nori or something).
these are just my experiences/tricks i use.
so far they have worked for me. I mean i have 2 angels that have not touched a coral....
anyway even with my method, YES you still can have an individual pick later on, BUT it is less likely IMO.
HTH
Nick
P.S. angels are a risk, even with my methods. Please be aware of this. I do NOT want people to think my way ensures 100% that an angel will not nip.....
I feed 2x a day morning and night with frozen meaty foods. Both angels love this.
also throughout the day there is Nori available for them to munch on. I would say the 2 angels along with 3 tangs and a foxface go through a full sheet a day....
I think having the nori in there greatly helps. They get much much much more nourishment from the nori than coral polyps. So, the angels would rather eat the nori...
Not saying it couldn't happen. Like the "disclaimer" said and like i said before it's 50/50.....
these are just my experiences.
also i have had the joculator for a month and the Interruptus for probably 4-5 months....
I am not going to lie, angels are a risk. BUT if Sedar puts them with SPS and they do not nip for the first 1-2 weeks in his tanks with all sorts of SPS, i would MUCH rather take that angel or and angel from a LFS.
I mean your chances are greatly improved this way. NOT to say it the angel couldn't start nipping.
BUT there is a difference between nipping and destruction like you noticed.
also when you put the angel in the tank you have to realize something......
koden- your fish came from the wild right? went straight into your tank?
if that's the case that's the problem IME.
think about it..... the angel comes from the wild, is in the LFS for what a couple days, then goes into your tank.
It needs time to adjust to captivity, not to mention captive food. So, the intial 2-3 weeks when it adjusts to your tank and finds alternative food sources.
Again that's why i like Sedar, when the fish is adjusting to captive life, he starts it eating on captive food (flakes/frozen). So when he puts it in with SPS it is less likely to eat the corals, because it does not look at them as food. The fish looks at the frozen of flake as food....
Again angels are a risk, BUT there are certain things you can do to less the chance.
1. get a healthy angel
2. Either quaratine it or have someone else do it
3. During the quaratining proccess make SURE to get it eating whatever food you will feed(frozen or flake). Most angels need some type of algae, so give it to them (nori and so on..)
4. Put SPS in with it (brown-outs or frags) in with the angel. See what it does. You will be able to tell if it is picking or not. Note the difference between picking something we cannot see and picking the polyps...
5. When you introduce the angel to the main tank, make sure you feed it well. Have something for it to pick on throughout the day (nori or something).
these are just my experiences/tricks i use.
so far they have worked for me. I mean i have 2 angels that have not touched a coral....
anyway even with my method, YES you still can have an individual pick later on, BUT it is less likely IMO.
HTH
Nick
P.S. angels are a risk, even with my methods. Please be aware of this. I do NOT want people to think my way ensures 100% that an angel will not nip.....
Zoom
Premium Member
If you have SPS stay away from dwarf angels. i had a Flame angel and one day all of my SPS way full of polyps i never saw them so full of them before. I got to find my flame angel jump in my overflow for i don't know how long maybe a week till i realize it was picking on my SPS even so i never saw the fish do it .
I got the fish out on his own tank and my corals never been happier.
I do have a large Emperor that i grow from a baby. The fish is almost three years old now full color adult never nip on my SPS but eat some zoos and open brain type meaty corals.
He need to be fed two time a day and plenty so i have a D skimmer that is rated for 660 gallon tank.
Is some pictures in my Gallery if you like to see.
I got the fish out on his own tank and my corals never been happier.
I do have a large Emperor that i grow from a baby. The fish is almost three years old now full color adult never nip on my SPS but eat some zoos and open brain type meaty corals.
He need to be fed two time a day and plenty so i have a D skimmer that is rated for 660 gallon tank.
Is some pictures in my Gallery if you like to see.
143gadgets
New member
OK Guys I have decided to postpone the purchase as suggested. I am in the process of doing research now. Thanks for all of the suggestions to look up the fish and get more info.
Nick
Thanks a lot for the info it is much appreciated. I am going to get in contact with Sedar and try and make this happen once i finish my research.
See u guys. I am headed over to the fish forum.
Nick
Thanks a lot for the info it is much appreciated. I am going to get in contact with Sedar and try and make this happen once i finish my research.
See u guys. I am headed over to the fish forum.
CeeGee
New member
143gadgets,
my hands down favorite angel is the interruptus or japanese pygmy. If you are so intent on getting an angel why not get one of these? They get a little larger than most centropyge and you can get them tank raised from rct in hawaii. They are expensive but the tank raised versions are even less likely to nip at corals.
just a thought.
my hands down favorite angel is the interruptus or japanese pygmy. If you are so intent on getting an angel why not get one of these? They get a little larger than most centropyge and you can get them tank raised from rct in hawaii. They are expensive but the tank raised versions are even less likely to nip at corals.
just a thought.
