How much do you get for your Black Ocellaris?

Dear Colby,
You got breeders from ORA, mature breeding fish. The female has an ovipositer that she lets down every 10-21 days when she is getting ready to lay eggs. The ovipositer is not a result of water changes, but a sign of impending spawn. It may not happen this time, but these are experienced fish. Their bodies do not necessarily shut down because of the stresses you mentioned, although sometimes they will.
Your feeding them saturation feedings, and taking care of water quality only makes them feel it is safe to spawn, but will not cause spawning if they are not ready to spawn. They will do it when they are ready. Sometimes the female gets agressive and lets down the ovipositer, and then reabsorbs the eggs if she is not ready. Other times, she lays the eggs and he fertilizes and guards them.

Perhaps I am mistaken, but didn't you say you had bred clownfish before?

Personally, I think it is great that you have this interest in breeding clownfish, and I think it is a great hobby. I am fairly passionate about it myself. I do, however, have a full time job that pays well with benefits, and I am not giving that up to breed fish. In five years, I can retire, and then I can do fish all day every day, and I look forward to that. I'll have a pension then, and retirement benefits including health care and prescription drug coverage. My dream is to BE Martin Moe. At least in the fish rearing part.

I have a small set up that is currently saturated with clownfish. To give you an idea of what your expenses might be, I have totalled up everything recently for tax purposes, and last year, May to December, I spent 1200.00 on setting up my system. It doesn't seem like it should have cost so much, and I did it on the cheap, with lots of stuff people gave me for free. I have 3 20 gallon tanks, free. A bioball sump, free. Stuff like that.

Still that was from only May to December. I haven't totalled up my expenses from January until now. Much of the up front expenses will not continue, as I will use the table I built for many years, etc. Still I seem to be making online purchases of little things that add up a hundred bucks here, a hundred bucks there.

So far I have only sold 40 fish, and of the ones I have now, 750, I only have about 20 that will be ready in the next month. After that, another 40, and the month after that, 150. That puts me into September and October before the big sales come in. It will be well over a year and a half before I break even, much less make money.

While you are making up your business plan, you may wish to get a job so you can pay for all this stuff. For me it is a hobby I can afford.

I must say you are showing a lot of spunk to keep asking questions here, and I wish you luck in your future endeavors.

Kathy
 
RCS,

Thanx for the reply I am pretty confident that was her ovipositor, but it is starting to retract somewhat so I wonder what triggered its appearance in th first place?

Colby
 
this sounds an awful lot like the $10,000 propagation system in my basement that has yet to make me a dime .

everything sounds like a good idea until you actually do it : )

For me its a hobby , everyone wastes money on their hobby i guess Just some more than others : )
 
Well heheh...all is going quite well in Colby's fishy world....

I have been talking to some of the folks at ORA and it looks like Clownfish aquaculture is in my future :)

As far as my one pair of ORA clowns, they are doing realy well it has all been a matter of finding what exacty this particular pair wants. All the pairs I have owned in the past I have set up and had since they were juvies so they were accustomed to my treatment. These guys however I have discovered have very high expectations of their human slave (me...) turns out the dang fish were waiting for fricken caviar to get jiggy wit it...caviar I mean come on, how spoiled can two fish get...but hey they are worth it..... :)

BTW I have had offers from lfs's and local wholesalers totaling in 3000+ Ocellaris a month at $5 a piece...

One lfs asked me to breed Black Ocellaris and even said he would give me a mature pair at the cost he purchases em for..... :)

I am excited to say the least....

Colby
 
well this is a really interesting thread. good luck Colby with your project. my advice for what its worth is try to always think laterally about ways you can decrease costs/improve efficiency.

Also as my father always tells me "if you've got livestock, you've got deadstock". Try to anticipate that at some point there may be a gap in productivity of some species as no matter how well you keep them you may lose a brood or worse still a parent.

Also whilst black occellaris are hot right now there is an element of fashion to fishkeeping, if you can anticipate the next easy to keep, popular, breedable fish that everyone wants and get it going ahead of people thats where you'll really do well.
 
Is $5 enough to make it worth your expenses and time? seems low to me...unless you are selling wholesale.

Is ORA pulling your leg? Caviar? I don't think so.
 
Here in So Cal $5 is low for retailers but high for wholesale, I think maybe Colby means an average of $5 selling both ways. At least that's what I figure on here.

Cavier is not that far off target but masago (capnelli roe from Asian market) is a lot more affordable. And yes, with some pairs it has been the difference between spawning and not spawning.
 
One lfs asked me to breed Black Ocellaris and even said he would give me a mature pair at the cost he purchases em for.....

Bend over backwards for that store. Local support is essential, there is a store here that has been so supportive it brings tears to my eyes. The manager and staff are all very helpful and encouraging, they call me if someone trades in a nice pair, hold them for me and then give them to me if I want them. They give me better prices on salt & misc supplies than I can get from the wholesalers and I don't have to drive to LA to get it. As of my last visit there a couple days ago, one of the service guys is going to start comming over a couple times a week to learn how to run everything so I can occasionally go somewhere for a weekend. Sure I will pay him but it won't be much and I will have the peace onf mind knowing that I have someone watching my fish who actually cares :)

All that makes sense to me, it is in their interest for me to succeed. What cracks me up is another store that is a whole different story. They will buy 50-60 clowns a week when I have them. I don't get any special attention or status and pay full retail for anything I buy there. Now does this make sense? Are they trying to make it as expensive as possible for me to bring them clownfish??? Maybe they think I'm not charging them enough and they want my costs high so I can raise the price?? :D
 
Hi guys..

Kathy.no ORA is not pulling my leg at all....like I said from the way it looks now I will be attending attending FAU working on my B.S. in Biology (Majoring in Marine biology of course) through HBOI and working at ORA within the next 18 months...I am extatic as you may imagine...

As far as the caviar lol, no ORA didn't tell me that...it is just that the only way I could get flying fish roe around here was in the form of the $20 little bottles of caviar...

Yes I am quoting $5 as an average...and yes I do think that it is very worth my time to sell them for $5 a piece....

I mean if I were to set my self up to sell 2000 a month @$5...ummm I think it would be worth my time... :)

And finally yes I will be bending over backwards for this store as well as a few other very helpful lfs's...the only issue being if I am living in Fort Pierce next ear I may not have time to get the Black Ocellaris up and breeding and I would ate to screw the store over like that...

Any ideas thoughts or recommendations?

Colby
 
2000 a month requires a substantial investment in infrastructure

what is ORA going to hire you to do ?
 
Definently, so I am not shooting for that right away, I am just going to see how it goes and aim for soemthing more along the lines of 500 a month initially.

Colby
 
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