How to get a mated pair of Dragon Pipes?

jpndave

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Does anyone know how to get a pair (or tell male and female to make a pair)? Are there any differences in younger fish? How old do they need to be to pair?

I have read that any two will pair up but may not be male & female, is that accurate at all or misinformation?

Thanks!

Dave
 
I can't tell you definitively how to sex them, and I've owned a mated pair. If the male has carried eggs before, he'll have an area on his underside that looks a little flat and slightly concave.....where he carries the eggs. Females have a slightly plumper shape, but it's VERY hard to tell for sure, and even trickier if they are young.

Your best bet is to buy several. At least they get along well with each other (the males don't fight like the bluestripe pipes do).
 
Ok, so buying several and waiting for them to pair of is going to be the only way. Which pipes would be the best choice for a reef tank?
 
I've personally kept both dragonfaced pipes and bluestripes in a reef tank with good results. I can't speak for the suitability of other species in a reef without speculating.
 
Bluestripes are small pipes -- like 3" maximum. And as Diane mentioned, males will fight to the death. You can tell the males from the females in that the males have bumps on their snouts that are easy to see with the naked eye, where as the females' bumps are much much less apparent, often only seen when a clear photograph is enlarged. They are great little pipes, which, when they feel comfortable, will swim all around the tank investigating your live rock.

Dragonface pipes sort of hover over the substrate rather than swim. They aren't a great match with stinging corals because of this. They grow much longer than the bluestripes, but have smaller snouts than, say, the bandded flagfin pipes. I have tried two. The first I lost straight away and I believe the pipe was likely doomed from the start. The second appeared to be much more robust and health than the first, and I though for sure that the pipe and I would be successful. But within a few weeks I lost that one as well, despite the fact that it was beginning to take frozen foods. I'm not sure what exactly happened, as it showed no signs of illness. But getting a healthy pipe in the first place is definately one of the keys.

I owned a pair of banddeds before, and they were lovely pipes. I did have a problem with a coral beauty that wanted to nip their tails, though. Their snouts are a bit larger than the dragonfaces, and, for me, they went onto frozen foods a lot faster than the dragon. They also swim about in the tank, rather than only sticking close to the rock work.

By the way, my bluestripe, I didn't have any trouble converting to frozen. Don't know if I was just lucky with that one or what.
 
Dragon faces tend to be out and about more than blue-stripes which tend to hang out in caves. I only saw my blue stripe at feeding time. My two dragons are always out. Both are awesomely cool fish!!!
 
My dragonfaced never really hid, I agree. I guess it is going to depend a bit on your tank. The tank I had the dragonface in has a LOT of rock in it and it stacked in a way that you can't see every aspect of the tank at any single time. So for a fish like my coral beauty, this is no big deal as the coral beauty sort of likes to sweep in and out of the rock work and is, therefore, regularly on view. For my rock hover-ers, though, like my spotted mandarin pair and the dragonface, who like to study each little hole in the rock, the fish can be out of view for quite a while --- not because the fish is actively hiding, but because they simply are investigating something that is out of view.

With all the pipes I have owned (banded flagfins, bluestripes, and the dragonface), when they were healthy I never once looked at the tank they were in for more than five minutes without seeing them.

I guess with the way I have my tanks set up, it is easier for me to see the banded and bluestripe because even when these guys are exploring a rock wall, they are as likely to do so horizontally as vertically, where a dragonface is more often than not going to approach a rock wall vertically -- and with the algae in my tank, that means the dragonface really blends in!
 
i have a pair and the male never goes more than a day without holding eggs.they mate about every ten days and it is always a min or two right after the actinic comes on.i have noticed that the male has a spot right before the area where he holds eggs that is blue with little orange claspers,my female doesn't have this and i think it is one way to sex them IMO. i have them in a mixed reef with several fish,2 clams,mainly sps(montis)but i do have two good sized gbta's and a nice sized frogspawn(which most will tell you are no no's with pipes), but mine are all over the tank with no problems for about 5 ta 6 months now. i have never really seen them take frozen(one of the hardest to get to take frozen) and they eat the copepods and amphipods in my tank,which there is a booming population of both.i am thinking of purchasing a few more. they are a joy to have and when you catch them mating,they do an interesting dance in the water column
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15529124#post15529124 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wolfman1973
i have a pair... but i do have two good sized gbta's and a nice sized frogspawn(which most will tell you are no no's with pipes), but mine are all over the tank with no problems for about 5 ta 6 months now.

I think there are people who would say that they would not chance harm coming to their pipes by selecting those tankmates. I would be one of those people. But that isn't to say that there aren't hobbyists out there who have taken the risk on behalf of their pipes and have managed to be successful, at least for a time.
 
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Elysia, you mentioned about 2 male pipes fighting to the death. My other pipe died, so a few weeks ago, I purchased a new one. As you mention, it is very hard to tell if they are males or females right off. How do I know if they are going to have issues or not?
 
Fighting males are not subtle (in the case of bluestripes). If your pipe dies from aggression from another male, you'll not mistake it for anything else. They begin fighting immediately and don't rest until someone wins.
 
FWIW, I had two females kill a much smaller male over a period of days much as described above with male/male aggression, so I don't think its just males, but any perceived intruder. Of course, maybe I just had some particularly aggressive ladies.
 
Hi Tami!

That's interesting. I've never seen the girls get aggressive like you describe. I think you had a pair that were enjoying an "alternative lifestyle" and didn't want a man around the place. ;)
 
I kept a banded, multibanded, bluestripe, and janss together for over a year. On a word of caution, the multibanded, and banded seem to think they are the same species, so a male/male doesn't seem to work.
 
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