How to get them to host in Frogspawn....

[elegance coral]

Chirocato, You first posted a pic of a hammer with 2 clowns in it. The coral was withdrawn and did not look happy. Then you posted a pic of what appeared to be the same coral without the clowns. In this pic the coral looked much better. Again you have proved my point with your pics. The coral looks much better without the clowns.
I think one of the problems here is that we don't truely know how our corals are feeling. In most cases we don't know our corals are sick until it becomes life threatening. As long as the polup is out we believe the coral is healthy. Especially in the Euphyllia family we can see one polup that on one side its full and its tentacles are flowing in the current. The other side of the same polup can be a white dead skeleton. The polup that remains may appear healthy down to the last tentacle. It stands to reason that our corals can be ill long before it becomes apparent to us. There have been enough people that have reported bad experiences with allowing thier clowns to use thier coral as a host for us to know this is a dangerous practice. Just because someone has allowed this and snapped some pic's of it doesn't mean that this is okay to do.

This is a pic of my very first Elegance coral with the pair of clowns that I allowed to us it as a host. Back then we didn't have RC to come to and get advice. Information on how to care for these animals was hard to come by. We had to learn by trial and error. In time this coral slowly started to not open up like it should. Eventually I had to take the clowns back to my LFS. Within one week the coral was back to its old self again. I got lucky and stoped this before my coral died. With all the evidence we have against this practice it should be our responsibility to worn newbies against it. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Der_Iron_Chef]

My clown is slowly killing my torch coral and bubble coral. From personal experience, I wouldn't advise encouraging this pairing! In fact, I'm currently attempting to catch the darn thing so I can return it to the LFS. I like my 6-headed metallic green torch a little more than I like the clown

 

[Musho3210]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9987481#post9987481 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chirocato

very nice.

 

[cato]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9994840#post9994840 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Musho3210
very nice.

Thanks Musho.

As for you elegance coral... You're a PITA! You know it all. I'm not wasting my time w/you anymore. I'm done here.:fun2:

 

[dc]

Let's keep an open mind here guys, and maybe knock off the name calling.

 

[jeeperrs]

I only have a small frag of frog spawn and my clown hosted it some. I know of many people who have clowns that host their frog spawn and have no problems, my frag was from someone's frogspawn that was thriving and was hosted by a clown.. If chirocato's clowns were hurting his coral despite whether or not the clowns were in the picture the coral would have been noticeably damaged. Surf through the sites and you can see a damaged BTA and even with no clown in the picture you will know it is damaged lol. On another post in this forum someone was posting pics of the eggs laid by their clowns and they too hosted in frogspawn and everyone cheered them on about their success. Good luck making your decision on what you want to do Also, I love the tank of the month because it just shows success can come in different ways, he doesn't even do water changes This just shows we may not know as much as we think on somethings

 

[ArgonDreams]

Well this went downhill quickly. The simple truth is that there are a lot of opinions on this board. Consider them all with a grain of salt. There are many ways to make a successful reef.

Anyway... People do have their clowns host alternate hosts with success. Inspite of what people have said on this board. LPS corals can adjust to clowns, and sometimes they don't. Follow a couple simple rules:

#1. Watch your tank. if a particular fish/coral is bothering it's tank mates, separate them. If you are unable to separate them remove the one you dislike the least and find a good home for the other.

#2. Research your species for compatibility. In this specific instance it's ALL conjecture. (One person saying never do it, one proving it works). Take your own opinion.

#3. Don't take this hobby or advice to seriously, if you do, give up and take a break from this board.

 

[Slakker]

I think it's important to take the hobby seriously...the lives of the creatures we keep is too important not to take it seriously, but we should certainly try to avoid getting up in arms about it.

 

[elegance coral]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9976663#post9976663 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by elegance coral
Please don't allow your clowns to use your coral as a host. This is very bad for the coral.

So. In the future when newbies have questions like this instead of giving advice like I did above we should say what?
Many people have had thier clowns kill thier coral like this, but go ahead and do it anyway.
This does not sound like the responsible thing to do if you ask me.

 

[elegance coral]

I believe I have made my point in this thread. It doesn't seem to matter how many people chime in and say my clown killed my coral. People will continue to do this. Sadly, no matter what I say here I will not be able to change this fact. I am moving on to more productave issues. Good luck to all with your corals.

 

[ArgonDreams]

I think it's important to take the hobby seriously...the lives of the creatures we keep is too important not to take it seriously, but we should certainly try to avoid getting up in arms about it.

The intent of what I said was:

If you get upset or annoyed at what is being said here, it's probably time to take a step back. If you can't keep an open mind about something you think is wrong or didn't work for you, you are in the wrong hobby. I never said not to take as excellent care as you can for your fish or corals. I said don't take it so seriously that you you have an emotion laden response. But I agree with your very last statement about taking arms.

So. In the future when newbies have questions like this instead of giving advice like I did above we should say what?

You are presenting something as a cold fact. I.E. Never put ammonia into the tank to clean it. This subject is hardly definitive and has a lot of subjective views in it. Just because a few vocal people have had this happen doesn't mean it's fact. As pointed in this very thread it can and does work out, it's also been written in several respected books. However I won't defend others work. I am saying simply there are other successful views on this subject.

There is no hard evidence that it is totally bad, yes, there have been many incidences where it doesn't work. However there have also been many incidences where it does. Observation of your reef is key to good success, as I have stated before.

Sadly, no matter what I say here I will not be able to change this fact.

See above on "facts".

On a personal note to all here, I have no issue with you or your points for and against on this subject. I will say dogged belief in only one way for a successful tank without bonofide proof is dangerous and just as irresponsible as not giving advice to people who need it. Present both sides of the story and let the person asking make their own mind. However just as you said, no matter how often I say THAT people will do as they will.

 

[elegance coral]

I presented this as cold hard fact because it is. This is not a theory or my opinion. This is fact. Clown fish can and do kill coral. Even the moderator here in this thread explained how his coral was killed by his clown. This is not a few vocal people stating this. This has been going on sense people have been keeping clowns and corals.
This part is my opinion. Knowing the above is true, I believe it is wrong to allow your clowns to use your coral as a host and wait for it to become ill before you do anything about it. We should do everything we can to keep our corals from becoming ill in the first place. I have already mentioned that we often don't know our coral is ill untill it becomes life threatening.
I added a little damsel to my tank to feed my Lion fish. They ended up living in the same tank together for about 6 months. Should I begin giving newbies advice that its okay to add small fish in with thier lion fish because it worked out that way in my tank? I would hope not. Lion fish can kill small fish even if it didn't happen in my tank. Clown fish can and do kill corals. Even if it didn't happen in your tank or mine.

 

[ArgonDreams]

I presented this as cold hard fact because it is. This is not a theory or my opinion. This is fact.

And this is also an opinion. But I am done, if you want to brow beat your opinion, feel free, I will avoid you.

 

[Slakker]

Odds your coral will get killed are nonzero, but it's also not a sure thing.

My advice (reasonable, allows the aquarist to give it a try, but includes the big idea from both sides):

This CAN kill your coral, so keep a close eye on things and watch for any signs of damage to the coral so that you can separate them if need be.

 

[bgiles11]

Wow this was one of the most violant threads I have read on RC. Everyone has an oppinion. My LfS one of he guys thinks that t5's are junk! He swears by Mh's. But the other employee set up a sps tank with t5's only and it is poping. Its all opinion I had triggers in my reef, never hurt a thing. Bottom line Clown fish are nuts! They will host anything even overflows so it is what it is!!

 

[ccorpse27]

I tried an experiment on this forum recently. In the classifieds I stressed the rules about making comments that are against the rules. Such as; that's too expensive or you can get that cheaper somewhere else, etc.

On a previous day I was chided by a mod for asking if someone would lower the price a little as I was interested. The author of the thread shoved the RC rules down my throat and I got in trouble for essentially nothing. So, in every thread I found where people were breaking the rules, I called them on it and reported them. These people - some long time members - got quite upset and told me to chill out and loosen up, etc. The forum can be very "two-faced" at times.

 

[illsquaddotcom]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9994588#post9994588 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by elegance coral

I think one of the problems here is that we don't truely know how our corals are feeling.

Hilarious quote....

My Frogspawn seems to feel pretty good, when my clown cuddles with him.

 

[cato]

Ohh, there are those lil' clowns.

 

[heap]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10017356#post10017356 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bgiles11
They will host anything even overflows so it is what it is!!

and thank god that they will ;^)

i recently had to remove ocs from a 240 rock laden reef...the only way it was possible was because the little finned idiots thought that huddling close to the corner overflow at night was 'hosting'.

as to the topic of the thread...i'm sure there's an 'INTERNETS. SERIOUS BUSINESS' image macro that could solve everybody's problems.

 

[GSMguy]

t5s are great


lol