tigger2577
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if you leave them in the QT for arround 12 weeks the ICH will be gone out of you DT also
I bit the Bullet!! ICH!!
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if you leave them in the QT for arround 12 weeks the ICH will be gone out of you DT also
asmodyus
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That if I can catch all my fish which I know for certain that the Midas Blenny, Hawkfish. Damsel, Mandarin will be almost impossible to catch. So I am left with destroying my Rock work and possible damaging my corals to get all the fish to run it with out any fish for 12 weeks and to get a big enough tank that I can run the fish in. That's an endeavor I just cannot do.
ganjero
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Tiny fishing hooks are your best friend in this case. Size 30-32, maybe barbless (this will make it harder for you but easier on the fish).
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adeebm
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It's a tough choice. But it really comes down to using half measured and loving with ich( and possible fish death and suffering) or taking them out and solving the problem. Use a fish trap or catch them at night. I makes it much easier.
A trick I use is to come at around 12am after the lights are out and turn the lights back on. The fish get stunned for up to 5 min and are easy to catch with little stress.
A trick I use is to come at around 12am after the lights are out and turn the lights back on. The fish get stunned for up to 5 min and are easy to catch with little stress.
Reefpilot11
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When you are sick you show signs of that ie. runny nose, temperature, paleness, nausea, coughing all symptoms that can be visible to someone who sees you. When you aren't sick you don't have any of these visible symptoms correct? My fish show no signs of sickness and vigorously eat food when there is no garlic in it.
ganjero
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Incorrect. That is a really bad analogy, many sick people do not show signs of sickness.
Your fish still have ich but can "handle" it better at the moment, the garlic did not cure it. That is a fact and many people run their tanks this way.
ichthyman
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Read the link provided. Learn the history of how garlic was first introduced to hobbyists.
Someone told me I should repost this,
NO, I don't recommend garlic for treatment of parasites or anything else aquarium related for that matter. The active ingredient in garlic responsible for all it's miracle interactions is the chemical Allicin. Allicin is produced by an enzymatic reaction when raw garlic is either crushed or somehow "injured". The enzyme, alliinase, stored in a separate compartment in garlic, combines with a compound called alliin in raw garlic and produces allicin. Because allicin is so unstable, once it is generated it readily changes into other compounds. Thus cooking, aging, crushing and otherwise processing garlic causes allicin to be decomposed into other compounds. According to scientific studies of garlic preparations, allicin decreased to undetectable amounts within one to six days. IF you're a firm believer in the magic of garlic, you really need to use freshly pressed cloves to get this chemical in an active state. NO AQUARIUM PRODUCT SITTING ON A SHELF IS GOING TO GIVE YOU THE ALLEGED BENEFITS OF GARLIC. The hobby has been bamboozled by marketing hype. Educate yourself and don't fall for the scam.
Someone told me I should repost this,
NO, I don't recommend garlic for treatment of parasites or anything else aquarium related for that matter. The active ingredient in garlic responsible for all it's miracle interactions is the chemical Allicin. Allicin is produced by an enzymatic reaction when raw garlic is either crushed or somehow "injured". The enzyme, alliinase, stored in a separate compartment in garlic, combines with a compound called alliin in raw garlic and produces allicin. Because allicin is so unstable, once it is generated it readily changes into other compounds. Thus cooking, aging, crushing and otherwise processing garlic causes allicin to be decomposed into other compounds. According to scientific studies of garlic preparations, allicin decreased to undetectable amounts within one to six days. IF you're a firm believer in the magic of garlic, you really need to use freshly pressed cloves to get this chemical in an active state. NO AQUARIUM PRODUCT SITTING ON A SHELF IS GOING TO GIVE YOU THE ALLEGED BENEFITS OF GARLIC. The hobby has been bamboozled by marketing hype. Educate yourself and don't fall for the scam.
Did I just here a gavel slam the desk... 
So in other words, if I can use this analogy... Garlic is nothing more to fish than it is to humans... Driving by that Italian restaurant and smelling the scrumptious fragrance of garlic and onions... Mmmmm... You say to yourself, "Damn we should pull over and eat!" Same thing for fish. It's a strike response triggered by the scent coming from the food in the water. No different than when I'm fishing and chumming up the water with some stanky jack mackerel and the feeding frenzy begins.
Now here's another analogy... You're sick and momma says, "Let me make you some delicious home made chicken noodle soup." You eat it, it tastes great, you feel a little better and then the next day, you'd rather be dead. So you head to the doctor and he writes a script for antibiotics because he's just diagnosed you with a bacterial infection which will not go away without medicine. Now back to the fish... You fed it garlic, it smells great so the fish eat it. A day or two later the fish has no signs of ick. So it has to be the garlic right? No, it was purely coincidence. The spots were going to fall off anyway due to the life cycle of ick and because it was never "cured" it will come right back.
Copper in qt and going fallow is the only way your going to rid the parasite of your fish and your tank. Copper is for all intents and purposes the antibiotic. Too bad the damn inverts are such wusses. It would make things a lot easier.
So in other words, if I can use this analogy... Garlic is nothing more to fish than it is to humans... Driving by that Italian restaurant and smelling the scrumptious fragrance of garlic and onions... Mmmmm... You say to yourself, "Damn we should pull over and eat!" Same thing for fish. It's a strike response triggered by the scent coming from the food in the water. No different than when I'm fishing and chumming up the water with some stanky jack mackerel and the feeding frenzy begins.
Now here's another analogy... You're sick and momma says, "Let me make you some delicious home made chicken noodle soup." You eat it, it tastes great, you feel a little better and then the next day, you'd rather be dead. So you head to the doctor and he writes a script for antibiotics because he's just diagnosed you with a bacterial infection which will not go away without medicine. Now back to the fish... You fed it garlic, it smells great so the fish eat it. A day or two later the fish has no signs of ick. So it has to be the garlic right? No, it was purely coincidence. The spots were going to fall off anyway due to the life cycle of ick and because it was never "cured" it will come right back.
Copper in qt and going fallow is the only way your going to rid the parasite of your fish and your tank. Copper is for all intents and purposes the antibiotic. Too bad the damn inverts are such wusses. It would make things a lot easier.
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Reefpilot11
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You say "handle it at the moment," I don't soak their food every time I feed them. In my blue hippos case it had ich, I soaked the food, ich went away, I stopped using garlic and it never returned. I'm not against a QT by any means in fact I'm sure it's a better more thorough resolve. But if you look at the original post he doesn't have a QT set up so I simply suggested what has worked for me in the past.
ganjero
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Exactly my point, the fish are "handling" the ich even without the garlic which shows that garlic probably had nothing to do with it. You seem to not understand that even though there are not visual symptoms the fish still have ich .
Reefpilot11
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I understand what you're saying, but I'm not going to disassemble my tank to catch them and quarantine them if they all are healthy. If I had a persistent case of some type of parasite/infection of course I'm going to do what's best and give them the proper treatment.
asmodyus
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Well I am going to try the whole Food approach which I have been doing for the past 2 days now Garlic Nori and Dr G's Caviar and the bumbs are getting less sparse which means THE GARLIC IS WORKING or going into the next cycle. I will probably do a water change tomorrow. But there eating and I really don't have a 55 Gallon QT that I would need to put all of my fish in if I even can catch them.
So I guess I am going to have to live with ICH I might get a sterilizer maybe that will help. If they get worse I will try to catch them and try to get them to a QT. I wonder when ICH go into a swimming stage do mandarins eat them because that would be cool get like 10 of them and they would eat the whole population lol
So I guess I am going to have to live with ICH I might get a sterilizer maybe that will help. If they get worse I will try to catch them and try to get them to a QT. I wonder when ICH go into a swimming stage do mandarins eat them because that would be cool get like 10 of them and they would eat the whole population lol
Reefpilot11
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Hmmm strange coincidence that the spots are going away. +1
janes_mw
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++11
Reefpilot11
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I did say going away not curing, if I recall.
snake1
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I know I say use Metro but I do agree with the others about QT but i would do it later when you are fully ready to run a QT tank and maybe catch then with a trap one by one and leave the tank for 12 weeks to rid it of ich while the fish are being treated in the QT this way you do not stress them out even more trying to catch them causing them to suffer even more your tank is probably already infected so keep everyone alive now with the medicated food and setup a good QT . I believe the Metro food has helped me and could help you for the time being...My personal feelings stick with one food it sounds like you maybe have picked up a bunch of different foods ......nothing is going to happen right away don`t pollute your tank with five different foods hoping ich will die tonight.....
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