I bit the Bullet!! ICH!!

[asmodyus]

I know I say use Metro but I do agree with the others about QT but i would do it later when you are fully ready to run a QT tank and maybe catch then with a trap one by one and leave the tank for 12 weeks to rid it of ich while the fish are being treated in the QT this way you do not stress them out even more trying to catch them causing them to suffer even more your tank is probably already infected so keep everyone alive now with the medicated food and setup a good QT . I believe the Metro food has helped me and could help you for the time being...My personal feelings stick with one food it sounds like you maybe have picked up a bunch of different foods ......nothing is going to happen right away don`t pollute your tank with five different foods hoping ich will die tonight.....

Your right I got metro and selcon From Fish and Ichthy Stuff today because most of the fish will eat Flakes including the Yellow Tang but the Powder Blue will not touch it but will eat the Caviar and the nori so I mixing up so everybody is medicated for the next week just to make sure than I will got back to my Mysis Mix and nori. But I keep an eye out for larger tank in the next month or so and maybe I will run 2 tanks for couple of months to get rid of the ICH.

 

[asmodyus]

Update well its been over a week now since I have had them and about 5 days since I fist saw they had ICH The two tangs are doing good still eating. Seem that the tangs are the only one with visible signs and flashing of ICH noboday else in the tank seems infected. Which is making me believe more than anything that it must be a strain that was in my tank that the other fish have lived with. Well hope everything continues eating. Seems like the ICH is not crazy like it was on the fish had QT couple months ago from LFS they were powered with ICH these guys seem to have a mild outbreak at least visible.

 

[asmodyus]

Well Week 2 everybody is healthy and alive the yellow seemed to drop ich at least for now and visibility. The powdered Blue is still peppered with ICH. Still no another there fish in the tank has any visible infection. So it seems the powdered Blue can't seem to shake the ICH but its still looking healthy and eating. Been Using Metro Flakes and Dr G's Medicated Caviar with Garlic selcon Nori and mysis.

 

[ichthyman]

The medicated food would work better if you feed it exclusively.

 

[snake1]

That's good to hear ....and yeah my blue tang had it the longest....have you set up or started a qt tank

 

[asmodyus]

The medicated food would work better if you feed it exclusively.

Yeah the issue is the Powered blue does not eat the flakes but eats the Caviar and some of the other fish will eat the flakes that is why I am using 2 different medicated foods, and from what I have read there is better success with the Metro Flakes than the DR G's Caviar.

 

[ichthyman]

Thats fine but you will have better chance of success by removing all non medicated food from their diet during treatment. If the fish have room in their gut for food what they cosume should be saturated with medication. They will be fine for a short duration of limited dietary diversity.

 

[asmodyus]

That's good to hear ....and yeah my blue tang had it the longest....have you set up or started a qt tank

No I don't have a 4 foot tank for the powered Blue. All I have is a 20 gallon long and last time I QT stuff I they all died so I am little weary of QT'ing fish.

 

[asmodyus]

Thats fine but you will have better chance of success by removing all non medicated food from their diet during treatment. If the fish have room in their gut for food what they cosume should be saturated with medication. They will be fine for a short duration of limited dietary diversity.

Okay will do than thanks.

 

[snake1]

No I don't have a 4 foot tank for the powered Blue. All I have is a 20 gallon long and last time I QT stuff I they all died so I am little weary of QT'ing fish.

I'm with you on that I still have all my fish alive and they look healthy I never qt them just metro flakes when I had seen the outbreak ...

 

[LiquidCache]

No I don't have a 4 foot tank for the powered Blue. All I have is a 20 gallon long and last time I QT stuff I they all died so I am little weary of QT'ing fish.

If you QT fish correctly, they won't die.

 

[asmodyus]

If you QT fish correctly, they won't die.

You know I am actually aware of that.

I did this method exactly. Had 10 gallon running for about 2 to 3 weeks with on Hang over Filter with normal Media that had carbon in it. Bought some Fish from LFS they were in there for about a week eating healthy. Did not apply any mediation at the time broke out in ich couple days later. Next day I took out the Filter media with carbon put some floss in there instead. Treated tank with copper next day 2 fish were dead Ammonia levels were at 2 PPM did a bunch of water changes another fish Died. Tank stilled showed ammonia levels after water changes so moved them to another established 20 gallon. So I than acclimated the reaming fish in there ran copper fish did not make it. That was my first time QT with medication couple times before that had success just quarantining them with out mediation because had no outbreaks.

Hence the reason why I have not QT'd my fish yet since my time I did it.

 

[LiquidCache]

I reiterate. The correct way works just fine.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2195588

 

[asmodyus]

I reiterate. The correct way works just fine.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2195588

Umm seriousness what are you talking about I did exactly like they said? I believe that would fall under the Permanent QT tank and also this would be the correct way in your opinion and the person who wrote the thread because there is a lot of different ways to setup a QT from what I read. Pretty much it is a tank that you can put your fish in to monitor and treat if necessary for any aliments that might come up for a certain amount of time. So ya not sure what your trying to say here because I will not turn down any help.

 

[LiquidCache]

You said you had ammonia. The qt was not cycled properly.

 

[asmodyus]

You said you had ammonia. The qt was not cycled properly.

I had ammonia several day later after I treated the tank with copper. "Bought some Fish from LFS they were in there for about a week eating healthy. Did not apply any mediation at the time broke out in ich couple days later". might have worded that better but basically they broke out in ich after a week of eating healthy and than I started my copper treatment and I got a massive ammonia spike in it the tank after the copper was added. It was cycled already. But you could be right might not have been. But also according to that link I don't even need a cycled tank. Was doing water changes everything you were suppose to do. than I transferred them to another tank that I know was cycled.

 

[LiquidCache]

I have not treated with copper myself as I've never had ich. Honesty I don't see how the copper could have caused an ammonia spike. The only thing that could do that is a lack of nitrifying bacteria in a tank that had occupants in it. Their waste and the extra food should have been broken down, but wasn't. That's why I'm thinking the qt wasn't cycled.

 

[janes_mw]

Copper can harm a bacterial filter, so it is very plausible that the cycle was pretty "young" and adding copper reduced the nitrifying bacterial. If your trying to cycle a tank while treating with copper, it will take longer in my experience to get the nitrifying bacteria strong enough to keep ammonia levels down.

 

[asmodyus]

okay everything is good fish still alive lol. Got a Dumb question I think I know the answer already but i just wanted to confrim can overfeeding cause a little .0 - .25 ammonia spike its not really the color of O but it not really the color of .25 kinda in between I just been feeding them alot since they got ich trying to keep them healthy and notice that my toadstool coral as closed up and is really rigid. so I did a full check on my water quality and notice the little green tint on the API ammonia tester.

 

[snake1]

I would do a water change and just feed the normal amount otherwise your gonna start feeding nuisance algae then you will have another problem to deal with....