I have ick in my reef what can I do
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Yes, why would people believe such rubish?
http://faq.thekrib.com/disease-fw.html
http://www.nunnie.com/ick.html
http://oldorchardaquarium.com/Information Sheets/ich_info.htm
But you distracted me with your red herring crusade of ich prevention long enough to forget my whole point.........bad water and chemistry and stress only makes it worse...thats it!!......
But I personaly believe that if you don't QT a fish that the fish resist it and will ALWAYS have it. One or two will always attach and survive once again waiting for that time to multipy as in an extreme case. And if we keep our water quality in check, it isn't a problem.....when the water quality is bad it rears its ugly head as a reminder to take care of your water. But yes, QT is the best method....but I don't always wash my hands either and I just walked out of the mens room 5 minutes before you!!!:eek1:
However, Good Luck in dispelling the myths of ich, you have your work ahead of you!!
http://faq.thekrib.com/disease-fw.html
http://www.nunnie.com/ick.html
http://oldorchardaquarium.com/Information Sheets/ich_info.htm
But you distracted me with your red herring crusade of ich prevention long enough to forget my whole point.........bad water and chemistry and stress only makes it worse...thats it!!......
But I personaly believe that if you don't QT a fish that the fish resist it and will ALWAYS have it. One or two will always attach and survive once again waiting for that time to multipy as in an extreme case. And if we keep our water quality in check, it isn't a problem.....when the water quality is bad it rears its ugly head as a reminder to take care of your water. But yes, QT is the best method....but I don't always wash my hands either and I just walked out of the mens room 5 minutes before you!!!:eek1:
However, Good Luck in dispelling the myths of ich, you have your work ahead of you!!
dots
Premium Member
Those were the first three off the Google I found just to show you how in the world people could think those things and why there are probably a million and one products to cure it now......Now if that was just a random sampling of the first three I found, what are the odds that there are a hundred or thousand more.
But honestly I don't like the whole QT problem, it doesn't sound like a fix or a solution but a way just to avoid it.........albiet is a good one, but hindsight is 20/20....what if he doesn't have a QT tank what then? Tear the tank down? Personaly I have SPS corals worth 10 times any one of my fish and would probably loose a couple trying to get those things out in the end simply isn't worth it.........I don't think you realize I am agreeing with you.....however........humans live with parasites all our lives......why can't the fish?
By the way, this seems very one sided, all you have is said "uh uhhh....your wrong".......which is probably what is the rudest part of it all. So educate me/us...........
Your soapbox and audience await!!!
But honestly I don't like the whole QT problem, it doesn't sound like a fix or a solution but a way just to avoid it.........albiet is a good one, but hindsight is 20/20....what if he doesn't have a QT tank what then? Tear the tank down? Personaly I have SPS corals worth 10 times any one of my fish and would probably loose a couple trying to get those things out in the end simply isn't worth it.........I don't think you realize I am agreeing with you.....however........humans live with parasites all our lives......why can't the fish?
By the way, this seems very one sided, all you have is said "uh uhhh....your wrong".......which is probably what is the rudest part of it all. So educate me/us...........
Your soapbox and audience await!!!
Freed
It's what it's
A cold is not a parasite though. A cold is a virus which cannot be cured but the symptoms can be alleviated. Ich, on the other hand, is like a bacteria that can be cured if treated properly and if all the medication is taken as prescribed, just like QT, if you do hypo or use copper as prescribed to a "T" you will cure the problem be it bacteria or ich.
At this point I think it's best to provide some links to peer reviewed articles concerning this subject:
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/nov2003/mini1.htm
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/dec2003/mini2.htm
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/jan2004/mini3.htm
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/feb2004/mini4.htm
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/mar2004/mini5.htm
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/nov2003/mini1.htm
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/dec2003/mini2.htm
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/jan2004/mini3.htm
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/feb2004/mini4.htm
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/mar2004/mini5.htm
cwegescheide
YOU have been ignored!
I personally believe Osama Bin-Laden is behind the whole ICH conspiracy. He systematically wants to P.O. everyone to no end. Its just our luck that he picked reef keepers to target next.
I just keep a fresh pack of bacon and garlic cloves dangling over my tank to keep the terrorists at bay.. :lol:
Hey I'm Ich free!! Dont knock it till you try it
I just keep a fresh pack of bacon and garlic cloves dangling over my tank to keep the terrorists at bay.. :lol:
Hey I'm Ich free!! Dont knock it till you try it
My unprofessional opinion about ICK is as follow:
1. If possible, new fish are quarantined before putting it in your main tank. If the quarantine fish has ick, then go ahead and treat it with any medication or hyposalinity. Unfortunately - I am not always good about quarantining my fish.
2. If for some reason, my main tank gets ick, I leave all the fish in there. I found it difficult to catch some of my fish without breaking down the tank and stressing out the fish. In addition, putting them in a new environment (often smaller) probably stress them out even more.
I have had ick three times. The first time, I quarantined the two new fish in my quarantine tank. They looked fine, so I put them in my main tank. Turned out then had ick, but I couldn't see it in my poorly lit quarantine tank. I ended up tearing up most of my rock work in the main tank to catch the two little buggers. I was unable to catch the hippo blue tang which had been in my tank for awhile, and didn't show any sign of ick. All my fish eventually got ick. The two new fish that I caught and re-quarantined eventually died. I think the stress of catching them ended up killing them. The fish in my main tank were fed a garlic enriched diet, and fed more frequently. All the fish in the main tank survived.
The second time I had ick, it was from another tang I added to the tank. All my fish caught ick from this tang. This time, I decided to leave the fish in and not stress them. Instead, I fed them a garlic enriched diet. I also fed the fish more often. In about 1.5 months, the ick was gone.
Third time I got ick (from a fish that I purchased from some's tank) - I left the fish in the tank. Once again - all my fish caught them. Fed them a garlic enriched diet, and they all recovered.
If (when) I accidently add another fish with ick in my tank, I am just going to leave it alone and try the enriched diet, more frequent feeding, and try to make the environment less stressful for the fish (no major water change). Hopefully the fish will be able to fight off ick on its own.
On the other hand - I have heard stories from very knowledgable people where a single fish with ick ended up killing all the other fish in the tank.
Minh
1. If possible, new fish are quarantined before putting it in your main tank. If the quarantine fish has ick, then go ahead and treat it with any medication or hyposalinity. Unfortunately - I am not always good about quarantining my fish.
2. If for some reason, my main tank gets ick, I leave all the fish in there. I found it difficult to catch some of my fish without breaking down the tank and stressing out the fish. In addition, putting them in a new environment (often smaller) probably stress them out even more.
I have had ick three times. The first time, I quarantined the two new fish in my quarantine tank. They looked fine, so I put them in my main tank. Turned out then had ick, but I couldn't see it in my poorly lit quarantine tank. I ended up tearing up most of my rock work in the main tank to catch the two little buggers. I was unable to catch the hippo blue tang which had been in my tank for awhile, and didn't show any sign of ick. All my fish eventually got ick. The two new fish that I caught and re-quarantined eventually died. I think the stress of catching them ended up killing them. The fish in my main tank were fed a garlic enriched diet, and fed more frequently. All the fish in the main tank survived.
The second time I had ick, it was from another tang I added to the tank. All my fish caught ick from this tang. This time, I decided to leave the fish in and not stress them. Instead, I fed them a garlic enriched diet. I also fed the fish more often. In about 1.5 months, the ick was gone.
Third time I got ick (from a fish that I purchased from some's tank) - I left the fish in the tank. Once again - all my fish caught them. Fed them a garlic enriched diet, and they all recovered.
If (when) I accidently add another fish with ick in my tank, I am just going to leave it alone and try the enriched diet, more frequent feeding, and try to make the environment less stressful for the fish (no major water change). Hopefully the fish will be able to fight off ick on its own.
On the other hand - I have heard stories from very knowledgable people where a single fish with ick ended up killing all the other fish in the tank.
Minh
jlfnjlf
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WOW I went to bed and missed all the fun.
Wombat2 thank you for the links.
I am not going to pick sides on this one. I am going to consider every ones points read the articles at advancedaquarist.com, and attempt the make my own decision. I know in the end I will have to disagree with with someone, but I plan to keep that to myself.
I have had battles with ick in my FW tanks, but when you add coral into the equation apparently everything changes.
Thank you all for the perspective and food for thought.
John
Wombat2 thank you for the links.
I am not going to pick sides on this one. I am going to consider every ones points read the articles at advancedaquarist.com, and attempt the make my own decision. I know in the end I will have to disagree with with someone, but I plan to keep that to myself.
I have had battles with ick in my FW tanks, but when you add coral into the equation apparently everything changes.
Thank you all for the perspective and food for thought.
John
MandM
sick yet brilliant
You can Google tons of articles on "DNA healing techniques" too. Many believe that you can "evolve" yourself from 2-strands to 24 or more by listening to some $99 audio tapes. Just because it's at the top of the list in Google doesn't make it viable, just a lot of nuts saw those pages.
Isn't it our goal to avoid it? QT solves the problem for me.
You spend a fortune on your reef but won't invest $50 on a QT tank? My fish are not disposable simply because the cost less than my corals.
For someone agreeing, you are arguing against the obvious. Most humans don't live long in a small box.
uh uhhh....your wrong.
Freed gave a simple example the way to prevent crypto with proper QT and leaving a tank fallow. The links to supporting peer-reviewed articles should be plenty to educate you.
oh, IBTL
:rolleye1:
Formula 2 dry foods have garlic in them.
A UV sterilizer would likely help solve the problem with less trouble than some other solutions.
In the ocean there are parasites, and cleaning stations where they are removed.
KH of 11? Not so good, especially when there are ph problems.
A UV sterilizer would likely help solve the problem with less trouble than some other solutions.
In the ocean there are parasites, and cleaning stations where they are removed.
KH of 11? Not so good, especially when there are ph problems.
Oh yeah - forgot to mention that I had two cleaning shrimps at the time. That might have helped as well.
For my garlic - I just took the food the fish ate. Used a garlic press to press into the food. Let it soak for a little while. Fed the food to the fish. The fish didn't seem to crazy about the garlic chunks, but they did occassionally eat them. BTW - I don't think there is any scientific proof that garlic actually helps the fish. Likewise, I don't think there is any scientific proof that Vitamin C helps prevents a cold in human - but I still take them when I feel a cold coming on.
For my garlic - I just took the food the fish ate. Used a garlic press to press into the food. Let it soak for a little while. Fed the food to the fish. The fish didn't seem to crazy about the garlic chunks, but they did occassionally eat them. BTW - I don't think there is any scientific proof that garlic actually helps the fish. Likewise, I don't think there is any scientific proof that Vitamin C helps prevents a cold in human - but I still take them when I feel a cold coming on.
jlfnjlf
New member
One thing I must say is that I have learned a very valuable lesson about quarantining fish prior to introducing them into my main tank.
With that said I made an error in judgment and now I have ick in my main tank. removing all the fish is not an option, so I must address the problem in my tank. I am still reading the information on advancedaquarist.com, and I have to make some choices.
My plan was to make the 30g that is my main tank into my QT tank once I got the 80g up and running. however that is going to take some time. I am building the skimmer, sump, stand, and canopy and plumbing the system. I do not have the time or money to do it all at once so I hope to have it up and running by spring. It will be a good winter project when my yard is to wet to work in.
In the end I will take what I have read in combination with what has worked for other reefers, and establish a plan of action. I think it is only fair to share that plan once I have it worked out. I will also give updates as to the progress along the way.
Thank you all,
John
With that said I made an error in judgment and now I have ick in my main tank. removing all the fish is not an option, so I must address the problem in my tank. I am still reading the information on advancedaquarist.com, and I have to make some choices.
My plan was to make the 30g that is my main tank into my QT tank once I got the 80g up and running. however that is going to take some time. I am building the skimmer, sump, stand, and canopy and plumbing the system. I do not have the time or money to do it all at once so I hope to have it up and running by spring. It will be a good winter project when my yard is to wet to work in.
In the end I will take what I have read in combination with what has worked for other reefers, and establish a plan of action. I think it is only fair to share that plan once I have it worked out. I will also give updates as to the progress along the way.
Thank you all,
John
cwegescheide
YOU have been ignored!
Garlic is supposed to enhance the fishes natural immune system and stimulate their appetite as well.
I guess most fish like Italian food.
It's supposed to do it in humans, but has there been any scientific study on fish. A lot of what I heard has been anecdotal, but I haven't seen a real scientific study (double blind test with a significant number of subjects and some statistical analysis). But like I said - I still feed my fish garlic once in a while.
Speaking of Italian food - that sounds good for lunch. Now I am hungry!
Minh
Speaking of Italian food - that sounds good for lunch. Now I am hungry!
Minh
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8288489#post8288489 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cwegescheide
Garlic is supposed to enhance the fishes natural immune system and stimulate their appetite as well.
I guess most fish like Italian food.
Justin74
New member
UV's are not a solves all and wont necessarily "cure" anything. It's recommendation is only as a preventative, not a fix. Same thing goes with cleaners, and garlic. Good at helping prevent ich, but wont cure it if it gets in. The only viable argument I see about garlic is that it helps boost the immune system, in turn making the fish able to combat alot of ailments, but after the fact IMO is only a helpfull measure, like the cleaner but not a cure.
I dont consider installing a UV sterilzer onto my existing system any easier than setting up a 10g with just water and a cheap HOB and stock lights. I would much rather set a small tank or rubbermaid containor, actually. Not only that, but costs will be way cheaper especially if your considering a good UV properly rated for your size of tank.
It'd be cool to have a constructive debate rather than a bunch of cynisism too, no reason to have a Sactown Throwdown over something stupid like ich, ya know?
-Justin
