I know you should always QT, however..

Since that thread is from like 2007, I wonder if they still use these practices?

Either way I would at the very least QT and observe.
 
That is why you pay more at D.D. They have done all they can to offer you a healthy fish. I would still not place the new fish directly into your D.T. If you can, observe in a QT for a few weeks where you can train it to eat and build up strength. This gives the fish the best shot for survival.
 
yeah.. that's what I was thinking as well. Place in QT and observe. If purchasing from elsewhere, that's another story..Full QT procedures at that point.

I'm sure they do continue this practice but wouldn't know since it has been that long. But to have set up this procedure and then dismantle it so soon would have been a huge waste of cash. That's why I think they still practice this.
 
Yes but petco bought out DFS, which includes LA DD.

And we all know petco's horrendous for safe fish practices. I would also think that in the long run any QT procedures would cut into the bottom line as they would not move as many fish as they could without QT procedures.
 
My sense is that what DD does is more 'conditioning' than 'quarantine'. It's that the fish are eating and acclimated to full salinity that commands the premium. I would strongly recommend that ALL new fish are quarantined. Whether one uses prophylactic meds is really an individual call. I use meds on some fish, but not on others; but I also QT for at least 6 weeks, often much longer.
 
I agree we should all QT however it specifically stated in the post that they deworm as well as add other meds. Was just curious on how others felt about RE-medicating of fish that are purchased through that channel.
 
The only prophylactic treatment I do is a Formalin dip to prevent Brooklynella, Trichodina or Uronema from making it into the QT..
Otherwise I only treat when it is needed.

Too many people here marinate their new fish in way too many chemicals without​ an actual need for it.
Even prophylactic TTM treatment of new arrivals can be counter productive as it only addresses the least concerning parasite (Cryptocaryon) and may make you miss more serious infections. IMO TTM is best done towards the end of the quarantine period before the fish go into the DT or if the fish actually come down with an ich infection. But I found hyposalinity to be an easier and at least equally reliable treatment against ich.

The purpose of quarantine is to observe and see if new fish may have parasites or an infection that could be harmful to the established fish in the DT. Any prophylactic treatment can obscure or delay the outbreak of an occult infection and make you miss it.

I personally had a good deal of fish die of infections in quarantine, mostly of some serious and seemingly antibiotic resistant bacterial infections, or just general exhaustion from capture and shipping. In many cases blind treatments can make​ things worse​. Ideally you should only treat the fish after you know what you are dealing with and how to treat it most effectively.


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LA/DD still strongly recommends that all qt once they receive whatever they bought.
I agree with ThRoewer.
Too many in here recommend qt with meds straightaway, which is totally unnecessary, and can actually work against your success.
Observation is your best friend and the way to go.
If meds can be avoided, avoid them.
Qt at a minimum should be 8 weeks.
There are no "buts" to a nice long qt.
 
You don't take Excedrin just because you might get a migraine. Why treat any other living thing the same way?
 
Did your starcki ever tolerate hyposalinity?
In my experience, they are very sensitive to salinity.


ThRoewer said:
The only prophylactic treatment I do is a Formalin dip to prevent Brooklynella, Trichodina or Uronema from making it into the QT..
Otherwise I only treat when it is needed.

Too many people here marinate their new fish in way too many chemicals without​ an actual need for it.
Even prophylactic TTM treatment of new arrivals can be counter productive as it only addresses the least concerning parasite (Cryptocaryon) and may make you miss more serious infections. IMO TTM is best done towards the end of the quarantine period before the fish go into the DT or if the fish actually come down with an ich infection. But I found hyposalinity to be an easier and at least equally reliable treatment against ich.

The purpose of quarantine is to observe and see if new fish may have parasites or an infection that could be harmful to the established fish in the DT. Any prophylactic treatment can obscure or delay the outbreak of an occult infection and make you miss it.

I personally had a good deal of fish die of infections in quarantine, mostly of some serious and seemingly antibiotic resistant bacterial infections, or just general exhaustion from capture and shipping. In many cases blind treatments can make​ things worse​. Ideally you should only treat the fish after you know what you are dealing with and how to treat it most effectively.


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I didn't treated the first two males I got and that are still with me now. Two I got later from LA I had to treated, but they died anyway. I don't think it was the hyposalinity.
The first two got over the ich they had without treatment (as did actually many of my fish).
For all I can tell the ich I had in my system has died out by now - I haven't seen any of it in months despite some serious tank cleanings that normally caused flare-ups.

BTW, 80 to 90% of the fish I bought never got sick with anything.
Most losses I had with bluestripe pipefish, usually within a day or two after receiving them due to bacterial infections starvation (I don't think they feed these guys well enough at the wholesalers).

The infection I see most is Ich, but even that is rather rare.

Flukes I encountered only once - of course with my most expensive fish after I got them to eat: Ventralis Anthias :headwally:
 
My .02
I didn't perform the QT process and I have a lot of money invested in my tanks.
Do TTM and observe as you would any other fish. Medicate only as needed.
TRUST NO ONE.
 
I QT my fish in an actual reef. Treated as needed. Once I know that the fish is healthy and eating well I release to DT. I don't sweat Ich. This disease does not cause problem in my tank.
 
I think DD gives the fish a better shot of making it through QT, but I have still put them through TTM and Prazi.

I think TTM is harmless to them, and Prazi seems to be gentle enough. I wouldn't treat for anything else unless I see something.
 
Scorpius said:
You don't take Excedrin just because you might get a migraine. Why treat any other living thing the same way?
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No...but there are other medicines that people take prophylactically for migraines because they might get one. So, not a good analogy ;) ....but I get the point.
 
OrionN said:
I QT my fish in an actual reef. Treated as needed. Once I know that the fish is healthy and eating well I release to DT. I don't sweat Ich. This disease does not cause problem in my tank.
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Do you mean ich doesn't kill fish in your tank or that fish never show symptoms? I have ich in one of my tanks now with my regal angels and a couple butterflies. I'm planning to let them ride it out unless they start showing some negative effects from it. So far everything is still eating extremely well and seem fine but they have a reasonable amount of spots on them. As of now I never even see them scrape or flash.
 
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