I need a clever water management system

MarlinHooker

MarlinHooker

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So I've finally decided to purchase the Genesis automatic water changing system ..... I'm going to get the Pro model which also does the ATO function as well as auto RO/DI reservoir replenishment. That's the good news ...

The bad news is, due to the location of my new fish room I only have access to the home water supply from the input leading into one of my toilets which happens to be on the other side of a wall. There is no way to get to the bathroom sink to attach the RO/DI drain ...

So my original cunning plan was to have 3 storage tanks: a 75g seawater tank, a 65g RO/DI tank and my old 25g seawater tank for waste water. The idea would be to have a hose connected to that tank which is just coiled up and when the waste RO/DI tank was full I could run the hose into the bathroom sink & empty it. It is only about 10' away.

Since my plan is to continuously change water at a rate of 1 gal every 12 hrs a 75g seawater tank would mean I'd only need to make new water once every 35 days.

This was before I realized that the RO/Di system generated waste water at a rate of about 3:1 which is going to fill my little 25g waste tank very quickly ....

So, I need a new cunning plan ... anyone got any clever ideas they want to share?
 
You own or rent? If you are connected from fish room to bathroom by a single wall, could you not penetrate the wall (small hole) for the ro/di drain line?
 
Is your question just what to do with the RO waste water? Or water change waste water?

Could you run the waste water into the top part of the toilet? I run my waste water outside to water plants. If you're near an outside wall you could do that. If we're talking used saltwater then I definitely wouldn't run it into the toilet.
 
hiopefully this helps show my dilemma ...
 

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That looks like an easy solution to me as long as you can drill a hole in both the walls. Just get more RODI tubing and run the waste line through both walls all the way to the sink. You should be able to attach the line to the wall to make it look decent.
 
the "issue" is that even if I run the tubing at the bottom of the wall where it intersects the baseboard and then into the vanity it is still "exposed" according to my wife. I even had to talk her into it being 'ok' for the tube to be run from the bottom of the wall to the back of the toilet .... I know, don 't say it ...

Now here's another possibility if there is enough head pressure ...

right above the fish tank room & adjacent closet is our garage attic which has stand up head room. In fact in the roof of the closet is a small access panel so that I could access the attic directly. the outside wall of the house is on the other side of the adjacent closet wall so it would be straight forward to run the waste water line from the RO/DI unit up into the attic and across to the outside. It's approximately 12' straight across to the outside wall and the ceiling is 8' high.

Right now my RO/DI unit is located under the utility room sink and the product tubing runs about 6' to an adjacent wall where my storage tank is on the other side and I have the line going up about 7' and then down into my storage tank.

Don't know if there is enough head pressure to get up into the ceiling and then across to the outside ...?
 
I don't go vertical, but I run my waste line over 50 feet to the backyard without any problems. I suspect you'll be ok, but I've never gone up then back down.
 
I think you would be OK going up and outside. May put a little more back pressure on waste line but I don't believe it would make a big difference. Just a guess on my part though, as i have not done this before. I have run waste line outside but it was straight shot and only about 15 feet.
 
There has been no issue with the product line going up 7' and then into my storage tank so you would think I could do the same thing with the waste line instead ... Sounds like some tests will be necessary once I get the system moved ...

Not my preferred solution but I don't know if I can convince my wife to allow the 'exposed' line option ... Could be another diamond emerald necklace or cruise to Australia in my future ... :)
 
MarlinHooker said:
So I've finally decided to purchase the Genesis automatic water changing system ..... I'm going to get the Pro model which also does the ATO function as well as auto RO/DI reservoir replenishment. That's the good news ...

The bad news is, due to the location of my new fish room I only have access to the home water supply from the input leading into one of my toilets which happens to be on the other side of a wall. There is no way to get to the bathroom sink to attach the RO/DI drain ...

So my original cunning plan was to have 3 storage tanks: a 75g seawater tank, a 65g RO/DI tank and my old 25g seawater tank for waste water. The idea would be to have a hose connected to that tank which is just coiled up and when the waste RO/DI tank was full I could run the hose into the bathroom sink & empty it. It is only about 10' away.

Since my plan is to continuously change water at a rate of 1 gal every 12 hrs a 75g seawater tank would mean I'd only need to make new water once every 35 days.

This was before I realized that the RO/Di system generated waste water at a rate of about 3:1 which is going to fill my little 25g waste tank very quickly ....

So, I need a new cunning plan ... anyone got any clever ideas they want to share?
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Here is a thought or two for the RODI waste line... Typically on the wall behind a toilet is a clean out. It is usually a larger plugged off screw in type fitting. If you can access the clean out, you could drill the cap, thread it and install one of these John Guest 1/4" to NPT fittings below. It's a shame you can't access the sink and run the 1/4 tubing under the carpet or along the base board. You could then install this same type of fitting into the sinks drain line.

The other though would be to place the 1/4" waste water line either under the toilet and through the wax ring into the toilet drain or even run it up behind the toilet and up under the holding tank lid into the stand pipe drain or into the tank. Excess water would then overflow into the stand pipe drain inside the toilet. Since the waste line is under pressure, it can easily pump uphill.
This fitting is avaiable at Lowes as well as many online stores. It's a 1/4" John Guest to NPT fitting.
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FWIW, you will love the Renew! Just keep in mind that the Renew Pro does not include the Storm ATO module. That is purchased seperately. I use the Renew Pro and have done so for a few years now. I use my Apex for my ATO and not the Storm.
 
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thx guys. Running the RO/DI waste water line into the holding tank would easily work but I need to figure out a way to run the line into the holding tank? Would I have to drill a hole in the back of the ceramic tank?

I'm not giving up on the idea of running the line along the baseboard yet either ...
 
slief said:
Here is a thought or two for the RODI waste line... Typically on the wall behind a toilet is a clean out. It is usually a larger plugged off screw in type fitting. If you can access the clean out, you could drill the cap, thread it and install one of these John Guest 1/4" to NPT fittings below. It's a shame you can't access the sink and run the 1/4 tubing under the carpet or along the base board. You could then install this same type of fitting into the sinks drain line.

The other though would be to place the 1/4" waste water line either under the toilet and through the wax ring into the toilet drain or even run it up behind the toilet and up under the holding tank lid into the stand pipe drain or into the tank. Excess water would then overflow into the stand pipe drain inside the toilet. Since the waste line is under pressure, it can easily pump uphill.
This fitting is avaiable at Lowes as well as many online stores. It's a 1/4" John Guest to NPT fitting.
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This is what the self piercing needle valve should do that I posted above, if he can access the sink plumbing.. I used something similar on my drain pipe of my utility sink in the garage.


And I ran three 1/4" water lines behind my baseboard for my old tank. Popped the baseboard off, ran the lines, put the baseboard back.
 
MarlinHooker said:
thx guys. Running the RO/DI waste water line into the holding tank would easily work but I need to figure out a way to run the line into the holding tank? Would I have to drill a hole in the back of the ceramic tank?

I'm not giving up on the idea of running the line along the baseboard yet either ...
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Just route it under the lid on the back side of the toilet. If you are concerned about the tubing flattening out. A drop of silicone that is given time to harden will provide enough space for the tubing or a 1/4 elbow will also be rigid enough under the lid so there is no risk of the line flattening out.

Or go to your attic. The waste line is under pressure from your water supply.
 
for my waste line on my genesis... i just use a 1/2" uniseal and its installed into my abs pipe that goes to the clean out drain. you can easily install a 1/4 " adapter so that both the tank waste water and ro/di water goes into the clean out.
 
ok, let me expose my ignorance about basic house plumbing ...so when you flush a toilet the water runs out the drain, the flapper valve then closes and water starts to fill the tank by going into the standpipe. The water shuts off when the float valve reaches whatever height is set so the tank doesn't overfill. If I just stick the RO/DI tubing into the standpipe how does it drain and not just overflow the tank?
 
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