I need help figuring out this nutrient issue

chopper320

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I posted a similar question in the reef discussion section a couple of weeks ago but I didn't find get much advice that I hadn't already been trying.

My issue is nuisance algae. I have a 40 breeder with 20 gallon sump predominately sps. The tank is lit by 2 reefbreeders value fixtures.

This tank has been setup for about 1.5 years and I have generally always dealt with algae problems. When I set the tank up, I let some caulerpa get out of hand and it has been a constant battle. My only method of removal has been manually during every water change, I pull off as much as I can. It keeps it somewhat in check but it's still a pain to deal with.

This isn't the bad part though. The algae that I'm even more concerned about is cyano. It forms on my sand and my rock. My nitrates show 0 on multiple test kits. My phosphates registered 0 on a test kit that I borrowed but I don't have my own phosphate kit at this time.

I do weekly 10% water changes with previously IO salt but just switched to Reef Crystals over the last 2 weeks. I started running GFO in a phosban reactor about 2 months ago and have been changing it out about every 5 days.

I also have an area in my sump that grows chaeto and it seems to grow at a pretty decent rate. My skimmer cup fills about 1x per week but I empty and clean the cup about every 3 days to keep it running more efficient. I have about 75x gph flow in my tank.

I have been going lights out for 3 days each month. When I do this, the tank looks great afterwards but withing 3-4 days, the cyano is back. Over the last 2 weeks, I've been doing a 10% water change every other day and siphoning out sand each time. I had a 1" sandbed with a sugar fine sand that would occasionally get blown around by my pumps. My goal is to just slowly remove all of this.

My fish are:

2 perc clowns
1 yellow tail damsel
sixline wrasse
starry blenny

I feed my fish predominately frozen but very sparingly. I feed about a half cube every other day and sometimes I substitute pellets or flakes.

My sps are all healthy except for a pink birdsnest that gets algae growth on its tips. Everything else has good color and growth rate. I dose B-Ionic and occasionally magnesium.
My CA is 420
Alk 9dkh
Mg is 1350.

I just can't figure this cyano out and its driving me mad. Even though my corals seem healthy, my tank is ugly to me when I look at it because of that algae. It has me close to throwing in the towel.
 
Sorry these are iPhone pics so they aren't very good.
 

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More algae. It's hard to tell from these pics but the corals have good color. It's just the algae that you see.
 

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I have more cyano in my reef than you do. It doesn't bother me and is not a symptom of bad water, it is also not algae. If it bothers you add some Chemi Clean. Great stuff but a little pricy. If you are afraid to use a chemical, don't use artificial seawater.
 
My photoperiod is 7 hours full lights(dialed down to about 40%) with an hour on each end of blues only.

I know it's not awful but compared to most sps tanks with low nutrients it seems pretty bad to me. I'm just not sure where the weak link in my system is.
 
Sorry - screwing around with my signature... I had a dusting of something on my sandbed. I jacked up the flow and it started clearing up almost immediately.
 
I've got the same problem. 1.5 year old tank. Been running gfo and rox 0.8 in reactors for a year now changing monthly, t5 at 8 hours a day, 55 gallon display with 3500 gph in random flow. Bi weekly water changes. Still have green hair algae, out of control halimeda, valonia, red hair algae, cyano, and a bit of bryopsis. Acropora are happy, but a little pale, they never stay as bold colored as the tanks I get them from. But they're growing. RODI water. Feed a mixture of things not necessary sparingly, but so not excessively. Small bioload. I even acid dipped 75% of my rock before using. Not trying to hijack, just hoping someone has some advice.
 
I'm interested in this also. I too have a similar issue. However, my acros are doing great, growing well, and have pretty good color. I have not seen cyano in a while, just GHA and some more course, turf like algae.

Following along.
 
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one! I have about 4000 gph of random flow. I'm putting a ton of effort into this but seem to be making no progress.
 
Changing out GFO every 5 days seems like a a lot. I usually run my GFO for months at at ime. Are you sure you are running enough? Are you using RO/DI water? The nutrients are coming from somewhere. You could also look into some sort of carbon dosing but that may not help with the cyano.
 
Changing out GFO every 5 days seems like a a lot. I usually run my GFO for months at at ime. Are you sure you are running enough? Are you using RO/DI water? The nutrients are coming from somewhere. You could also look into some sort of carbon dosing but that may not help with the cyano.

I'm not so sure that sure that carbon dosing doesn't help with cyano. I you dose a source of carbon that would increase the growth of other bacterial strains that will take the P cyano needs to use. If C is the limiting nutrient in the system that doesn't affect the growth of cyano, which gets C via photosynthesis, but definitively will limit the growth of other bacterial strains.
 
I'm using RO/DI and always keep my TDS at 0. I'm only changing every 5 days because I figured I have a phosphate issue coming from something and I've read that it can exhaust the GFO pretty quickly until you get it under control and until I visually see the algae receding, I'm assuming I don't have it under control. I use about a cup of GFO each time. It's getting expensive so I'd love to change it less often.
 
If cyano is your biggest issue, then perhaps approach differently than the usual ways. Obviously good flow helps, but here is the thing...Cyano is a bacteria. If you want to get rid of it, then you have to beat it with more bacteria.

Keep doing the things you are doing, but start dosing either microbacter7 or microbe lift special blend, or both. I promise you within a few weeks you will see it start to clear up. There is some sort of imbalance in the tank, and once you add enough good bacteria it will out compete the bad. Good Luck
 
I would consider getting a Hanna meter and testing the water coming from your reactor. then you will know if the gfo is good or not.
 
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