I want a couple tangs..

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10403244#post10403244 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ben&bobbi
exactly my point!

Ahh i get it now.:lol: :lol:

That one was a little to quick for me, lol.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10403370#post10403370 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
Swimming space is the key stat and I am guessing that yours in no more than 48"L.

Its 72"L. Another 2 feet added.
 
Me coming into this thread-
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4 tangs in a 75
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10403473#post10403473 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bluecarpet
water volume has a lot to do with it just as swimming space does.

I hope you're not going by the old school formula of 1.5" of fish per 7.5 gallons of water because that is an antiquated theory.
The only time that having excessive amounts of water volume come into play is if you practice poor husbandry and have large swings in your parameters or you are keeping a SPS tank and cannot afford even minute fluctuations in your parameters. More water volume just gives you more room for error but the main rule of thumb when considering fish population in tank dimensions which coincides with total "tank" volume not "system" volume. The more "tank" volume you have the more swimming space and aquascaping you are allotted thus giving fish more protection. If this theory of yours were the case I could setup a 75g tank with a 300g sump = 375g / 7.5 x 1.5 = 75" of fish. Based on this I could have a school of Sohals and be fine.

Well i have had my yellow belly for almost 2 years now and he has grown maybe 2-3 inches and is about 4-5 inches now, just for your info bluefaces get a lot bigger than 12 inches. Yes its not a cortez or i would have said that in my profile. I think i may know a little thing or two about what i am doing.

Obviously not because if your puffer has only grown a couple of inches in two years then its growth is being stunted due to being in such a small tank. I only noted 12" on the blueface because it will be lucky to even make it to that size given the average Pomacanthus Angel rarely reach adult size in captivity and I am sure it will get stunted and only grow to about 8"-10" in a 140.
By the way, what is a "coral angel" because if it is a Coral Beauty then you just should have said that in your profile.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10405019#post10405019 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10403473#post10403473 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bluecarpet
water volume has a lot to do with it just as swimming space does.

I hope you're not going by the old school formula of 1.5" of fish per 7.5 gallons of water because that is an antiquated theory.
The only time that having excessive amounts of water volume come into play is if you practice poor husbandry and have large swings in your parameters or you are keeping a SPS tank and cannot afford even minute fluctuations in your parameters. More water volume just gives you more room for error but the main rule of thumb when considering fish population in tank dimensions which coincides with total "tank" volume not "system" volume. The more "tank" volume you have the more swimming space and aquascaping you are allotted thus giving fish more protection. If this theory of yours were the case I could setup a 75g tank with a 300g sump = 375g / 7.5 x 1.5 = 75" of fish. Based on this I could have a school of Sohals and be fine.

Well i have had my yellow belly for almost 2 years now and he has grown maybe 2-3 inches and is about 4-5 inches now, just for your info bluefaces get a lot bigger than 12 inches. Yes its not a cortez or i would have said that in my profile. I think i may know a little thing or two about what i am doing.

Obviously not because if your puffer has only grown a couple of inches in two years then its growth is being stunted due to being in such a small tank. I only noted 12" on the blueface because it will be lucky to even make it to that size given the average Pomacanthus Angel rarely reach adult size in captivity and I am sure it will get stunted and only grow to about 8"-10" in a 140.
By the way, what is a "coral angel" because if it is a Coral Beauty then you just should have said that in your profile.

Well in a 75 you dont have a lot of swimming room do you? I said swimming room also has to deal with it.

:lol: When did i ever mention a theory of the sort? Last time i checked i never did. And my puffer is growing perfectly well thank you. Here is a picture of him taken about 10 mins ago. Looks fine to me and i know he is fine. You said my tank was 48"L and it is not, its 72"L. By the way i am not old enough to go to the old school formula and to be honest i have never heard of that, i just know more water is better.

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By the way sorry about the little speckles. Also here is my Sohal as well, please do tell me if they looked stressed. All these pictures were taken about 10 mins ago as well, so very, very up to date. When my blueface comes out of her home i will be sure to post some pictures of her as well. Her home is right behind the big green sponge.

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This is not really much of a debate except for where each of us would draw the line. I think a 140 gallon would be minimally sufficient. Really, though, these numbers are pretty arbitrary without considering the dimensions of the tank. I'll bet that there are 140's and 210s with the same length and width just different heights. As most people know, added height will not add much swimming room for this type of fish. I do wonder, sometimes, how someone comes to the conclusion that a 140 will not work while a 210 is acceptable. Is that extra 70 gallons really going to make that much of a difference to the fish after being caught from the ocean? And how do we know that is where to draw the line?
 
Are you serious?
I can go take pics all day long of fish in small cubes at a store that have been in there for weeks with no visible signs of stress but that doesn't mean that they should be kept in them for months or even years to come.
Between your comments here, the shark fetching dog thread, and the Michael Vick thread I am starting to get pretty worried.
 
The shark thread was my fault...wrong place to post.


Bluecarpet, you did say you were upgrading to a 300 bowfront acrylic tank so why not mention that to these folks? Why try and argue something for the sake of it if you're upgrading your tank?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10405674#post10405674 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
This is not really much of a debate except for where each of us would draw the line. I think a 140 gallon would be minimally sufficient. Really, though, these numbers are pretty arbitrary without considering the dimensions of the tank. I'll bet that there are 140's and 210s with the same length and width just different heights. As most people know, added height will not add much swimming room for this type of fish. I do wonder, sometimes, how someone comes to the conclusion that a 140 will not work while a 210 is acceptable. Is that extra 70 gallons really going to make that much of a difference to the fish after being caught from the ocean? And how do we know that is where to draw the line?

That extra 70 gallons make loads of difference. I figured it out and if his tank is 72" then it would either more than likely be 24"d x 18"h or 24" h x 18"d. Judging by the photos I am guessing 24" high but I could be wrong. Either way, 18" is not that great when you consider the size of the fish he is keeping. Most 180's are 6'x2'x2' which provides that nice extra width and height to allow for the fish to have ample space to escape if threatened. Extra tall glass tanks above 24" in this size range are generally not a common and are usually custom made so it is assumed it is a stock dimension but you're right we shouldn't assume.
He may be planning on upgrading to a larger tank but I don't understand why people have to get the animals before the upgrade, strike that, I totally understand why some people do because they take personal considerations into favor before the well being of their livestock. I can tell you this right now, the chances are very high that the regal tang and the sohal will not get along so if you are thinking about upgrading I would recommend not adding the regal until the new tank is setup but that is just my opinion.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10405754#post10405754 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
Are you serious?
I can go take pics all day long of fish in small cubes at a store that have been in there for weeks with no visible signs of stress but that doesn't mean that they should be kept in them for months or even years to come.
Between your comments here, the shark fetching dog thread, and the Michael Vick thread I am starting to get pretty worried.

I am glad you think that, but you should not be worried for i am a good person and i know that. I would hardly compare my tank to one at a LFS though. And yes the fish do looked stressed at the fish stores, how many times have you walked in and seen a fish smash the sides of tanks and just sit there with nothing to do? Well when i go into the stores i see it all the time, plus like 55semi said where do we draw the line? I know where i draw mine, and obviously you draw quite a different line than me. So to bring up other threads is just kind of silly but yet funny at the same time, and i am not going to go into the whole other subjects, take care of yourself and thanks for your concern.:)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10406081#post10406081 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
I totally understand why some people do because they take personal considerations into favor before the well being of their livestock.

I totally care about the well being of my live stock, for the record.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10406081#post10406081 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
That extra 70 gallons make loads of difference.

I wouldn't say loads of difference. I would say it would make a difference if you had to twist my arm. However, no matter what size tank we provide is nothing compared to the ocean. Everytime I go snorkeling/scuba diving I see schools of tangs and I can't imagine them in anything less than the ocean itself.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10407541#post10407541 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
I wouldn't say loads of difference. I would say it would make a difference if you had to twist my arm.

If that is what it takes to get you to realize the ocean comparison is just plain ignorant than I will be happy to twist away.
 
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