ich/velvet is back !

[joaovieira]

Hell! after a follow of more than 9 weeks in the display tank and quarentining all ny 3 fishes ich/velvet seems to be back. My 3 fishes are 2 blennys (salaria and tailspot) and 1 chevron tang. Yesterday i noticed 2 white spots in pectoral fin of chevron, no behaviour symptoms so far. Other 2 fishes are fine. My plan is (please comment):

1) if it is really ich but it remains under control (i know it is subjective...) i will not do anything, just have the 3 fishes in my 180 gallons reef...

2) if ich/velvet gets bad i will treat chevron with cupper (0.5? or o.4 dose? since it is a tang?). My ethical question is wether to treat the poor blennies that i feel have a higher chance of survival in display tank than with cupper.

Please advise

Thanks

 

[MrTuskfish]

2 spots on the fin is probably ich, not velvet. Did you treat the fish in a QT while the DT was fallow?
If you treat the tang, then return it to the DT; it will immediately be re-infected wit the parasite.

 

[joaovieira]

2 spots on the fin is probably ich, not velvet. Did you treat the fish in a QT while the DT was fallow?
If you treat the tang, then return it to the DT; it will immediately be re-infected wit the parasite.

With velvet outbreak all my 12 fishes have died. Fallow period of tank was more than 9 weeks. the 3 fishes i have at the display tank are new fishes that were previously quarentined (6 weeks all) just with observation

Any comment on my plan ? :beer:

 

[MrTuskfish]

With velvet outbreak all my 12 fishes have died. Fallow period of tank was more than 9 weeks. the 3 fishes i have at the display tank are new fishes that were previously quarentined (6 weeks all) just with observation

Any comment on my plan ? :beer:

Did the tang have the spots in the QT? If the spots are a parasite and not just bits of substrate or something; you have a problem, obviously.

 

[joaovieira]

Did the tang have the spots in the QT? If the spots are a parasite and not just bits of substrate or something; you have a problem, obviously.

No tang did not show any spot in qt for 6 weeks. You are right i have a problem. Tang today hás múultiple spots. Tomorrow i will put him in qt and treat with cupper. :headwally:

 

[geaux xman]

how many fish are you planning to have?

if its a low number, i would probably consider going with option 1 and trying to manage it.

i would lose my mind if i had to copper treat again and do a 2nd 9 week fallow period.

did you cupramine the fish for at least 3 weeks when you went fallow? you asking the level of cupramine to treat the chevron makes me think you didnt on all fish?

maybe do 1 or 2 one hr formalin dips and put the fish back in the DT. it doesnt eradicate ich, but it does help.

 

[angelfish7]

With velvet outbreak all my 12 fishes have died. Fallow period of tank was more than 9 weeks. the 3 fishes i have at the display tank are new fishes that were previously quarentined (6 weeks all) just with observation

Any comment on my plan ? :beer:

This is why you have ich...because soley oberving new fish for 6 six doesnt kill ich!!... All new fish should be treated with Cuppramine and Prazi in order to rid of any potential parasite before enterring a QT .

 

[sandwi54]

This is why you have ich...because soley oberving new fish for 6 six doesnt kill ich!!... All new fish should be treated with Cuppramine and Prazi in order to rid of any potential parasite before enterring a QT .

Yup +1! Ich can easily go unnoticed on healthy fish because they only get infected in the gills, which are hard to notice. That's why I advocate prophylactic treatment in the QT. Your new fish came in with ich and you'll have to take them out into QT to treat, and leave the tank fallow for another 10 weeks.

 

[enjetek]

Do as sandwi says and treat with cupramine and prazi pro for all new fish and this won't be an issue anymore.

 

[MrTuskfish]

This is why you have ich...because soley oberving new fish for 6 six doesnt kill ich!!... All new fish should be treated with Cuppramine and Prazi in order to rid of any potential parasite before enterring a QT .

I agree. Sadly, IMO, there are still a lot of old myths around concerning copper. With proper research & usage, its safe, easy, and effective. (IMO & IME). BTW, I doubt that you could find any fish that hasn't been treated with copper somewhere between the reef and your tank.

 

[Ziggyreef]

Did any one try ruby reef or rid iCh or stuff likevthat

 

[MrTuskfish]

Did any one try ruby reef or rid iCh or stuff likevthat

These products have been constantly discussed on this forum; and most SW literature. They don't work. there is simply not a reef-safe ich cure or any way for long-term success in this hobby without a QT.

 

[angelfish7]

These products have been constantly discussed on this forum; and most SW literature. They don't work. there is simply not a reef-safe ich cure or any way for long-term success in this hobby without a QT.

A++ on this! !! I don't understand how all these companies that make these worthless products that don't work are allowed to stay in business. Its a shame people only find out these products don't work after they've wasted their money and fish are dead!

 

[MrTuskfish]

A++ on this! !! I don't understand how all these companies that make these worthless products that don't work are allowed to stay in business. Its a shame people only find out these products don't work after they've wasted their money and fish are dead!

I agree. IMO, human nature says that a lot of folks will try anything that looks easier, rather than really doing some research. Not always the hobbyists fault, lots of dealers push this junk. This is not a "plug & play" hobby; but its often seen that way---which may help explain the extremely high turnover rate in the hobby. I don't want to attack anyone, every new endeavor has a learning period; but I agree with Fenner; if you can't/won't use a QT----maybe this isn't the hobby for you. Sorry if this sounds cold, it isn't intended that way. Yes, I know some people keep fish for years (?) without a QT; but they are a tiny minority of long-time hobbyists. Most people learn that they need a QT very quickly and they get one----or their stuff shows up on Craigslist.