ick pictures

nathan_unsane

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when i asked about white spots on my starfish, most everyone reaction was that it was ick...


well here are some pictures, if this is ick, i've never seen it this bad, ever...

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No. I don't think starfish can even GET ich. Just for future reference, ich tends to look like grains of salt stuck on a fish.

What you have there is a colony creature in trouble. Either something is nibbling on its arms or it is having trouble with a) chemistry or b) food.

1. if you have shrimp, angels, or a wrasse, It could be that. Ditto anemone, if it got into it.
2. your params should be: temp 80, alkalinity 8.3-11, calcium 400, salinity 1.024-5, nitrite 0, nitrite 0, ammonia 0. If your chemistry is off, do a 10% water change and put some activated carbon in a women's knee-high and hang it in the sump.
3. in a new tank, it may need food. If it eats algae, feed it Formula 2; if it's a carrion-eater, Formula 1.
HTH.
 
i wish there was somthing i could do... all my levels are good except my nitrate levels are around 25, i've been doing water change outs every day for the last 3 days, stoped feeding for the last 3 days and changed the filter media in my xp3 filter, and i also have a jebo 180 protein skimmer...

all my components are for a 75 gallon tank, and i run a 37, the media in my filter is the charcoal bag and amonia remover sponge pad....

sombody help!!! i thought he was being attack by my clowns or damsel or somthing, but i havn't seen anything like that staring at the tank for hours for the last 4 days
 
the other day as i was on the computer i seen some movement from the corner of my eye and saw the star come right off the glass and into my saddle anemone,, i jumped up right away and pulled him out, but he was already looking like little parts of his skin was turning white....

but that's when i tested my water, and seen my nitrate was at 40-50 range... i immediatly started doing water changes and asking for advice on these boards and over and over everyone told me it was ick
 
OK. Now we have a picture. Get a spare tank, a bucket, anything. At this point, if I understand you, you're going to lose him, if you don't do something drastic. Set up a barebottom container with some strong circulation, and nice same-temperature same-salinity salt water...NEW salt water in ro/water (Walmart has it at their kiosks). Acclimate him into it just as if he was coming from the fish store, and put him into the container. That will buy time. No, there won't be any cycle, but the nitrate won't be hitting his system. He's just gone into a kind of qt, but with no medication except pure new salt water: if there were any salt water that wasn't nitrated, I'd want to use that, but this is what we've got.

While he's in there, go on with your water changes, and get all the filter media and the old carbon out of your system one piece ever 12 hours. That's your nitrate source, and slow withdrawal may let your sandbed take over the job, as bacteria multiply in there to take over the task. Put in new carbon and let your live rock and live sand---please, do you have live rock and live sand---take over the filtration job altogether. Skim like crazy, wet-skim, and do your water changes. Meanwhile tend your critter and keep him clean and fed and his params exactly what I gave you. I hope I'm right on this, but it's all I see that will get him out of that nitrated water.
 
i just asked if a freind can take him for a couple days....


it's so sad seeing this happen to him, and it makes me irrate that i can't control the nitrate in my little eco...


i have 30 or so pounds of live rock, and 50 or so pounds of live sand...

i thought you needed a filter can the rock and sand do it all by it's self?
 
Oh, good! Make sure you acclimate him properly! Now I'm pretty sure he will live---they can regrow whole arms if they lose them. If you get him right over there, he should be all right.
And yes, let's talk about your main tank.
Do you have a downflow? A sump? A return pump?
I'm not familiar with your skimmer. Is it a HOB? [Hang on back} or does it fit in a sump?
First, you need something to take the water from your main tank and send it into a sump. This can be a HOB downflow, or a drilled-in downflow, which is built right into your tank. What sends it back from the sump to your tank is your return pump. It should return the whole contents of the tank---as frequently as gravity drops it out...the HOB downflows operate with a big pair of U-tubes that continually siphon the water out and down. Consult the Equipment forum to get a calculation how much pump you need for your system. In that sump you put: your heater, your skimmer (if it's a submersible!), and you can even tuck a little refugium down there, a 'fuge, as it's often called, a low flow section you light, and grow cheatomorpha (a weed) and copepods, to support a healthy tank and lower the amount of algae that grows above.

If you have a downflow and sump already, you're golden. If you don't---it's possible you can make do---again, something I'd ask about in the Equipment forum. You might be able to run your filter empty of all media, and let the rock and sand do all the work.

The deal is, it can. If you've been running filter media, bacteria has grown up in there that is taking part of the food the sandbed should get, so the sandbed bacteria haven't bred as many offspring as they need to. They can, in a matter of days. But this is why you withdraw the filter media bit at a time, to give more food to the sandbed and let it increase to take all the load. When you have no more filter media and when that sandbed is fully going, you should see 0 nitrate, 0 ammonia, and it should pretty well stay that way unless too much food hits the system for it to absorb.
HTH. Keep asking questions. Pictures help. Get an equipment list, get your readings, and let's see if you can get that system running. Sounds like you've got good equipment, but that nitrate-in-the-filter business has trapped a lot of experienced aquarists, because it's the way systems used to work. The berliner system (live sand/live rock, no filtration) came in about 10, 20 years ago, popularized only since about 2000, and that's what you've got the makings of, the new way. It doesn't have spikes and dips in the system every time you change the media, because there are no media, and all you do is empty the skimmer cup.
 
my skimmer is hang on the back.... and i get plenty of nasty skimmate... every couple days...

how do i remove the contents of the filter little by little? it comes in a one bag, and it's not reseable...

i want to build a sump/refugium but i don't know the first thing about how they work, i have a 10 g tank, and i just purchased the 1/4" thick plexy glass to build the overflow system, i got the design from melv's reef or what ever it is...
 
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