ID - Montipora
- Thread starter Letmegrow
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Shawnts106
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Ok, then whats pokerstar? has the Pokerstar name been changed to supergirl???
SPStoner
Team RC
Those are both names applied to essentially the same coral by different vendors. Pokerstar, Supergirl, and LA Lakers Montipora were all coined by various online coral vendors. They are all apparently Montipora Danae Blue or Blue Purple base with Green polyps. Technically, you should only apply the name if the coral was acquired from the "namer", or can be traced there, although it is safe to say that this coral is being both collected and aquacultured in large numbers, as they can be found at any given time on 3 or 4 different websites for sale. I have, either through purchase, or trade, all three originals, and I can say that they are without a doubt the same species. They will sometimes develop orange, red, and yellow polyps along the growing edge, which is very cool ( this is what the Tyree Rainbow Monti is)
Be careful what you call it though. Some people on this board take the lineage very seriously.
So, to answer your question, unless you got that from Dr. Mac, it is not "technically" the Supergirl Monti, but probably the exact same coral.
And a very sweet one at that!!
Be careful what you call it though. Some people on this board take the lineage very seriously.
So, to answer your question, unless you got that from Dr. Mac, it is not "technically" the Supergirl Monti, but probably the exact same coral.
And a very sweet one at that!!
RichConley
New member
if its exactly the same coral, it IS a supergirl monti, however much it offends the namers.
SPStoner
Team RC
That's why I prefer Genus and Species. When I sell or trade frags, i will refer to the lineage only if I can directly connect to the original, otherwise people get cranky. I think Blue Danae with green polyps is much more descriptive than Supergirl, but that is just me.
I just like cool corals!
I just like cool corals!
clkwrk
Active member
I agree this last year with all the mariculture sps and their wild look alikes get names is way otta hand . even the zoanthid naming. Hell there were tons of people getting these corals before they had names for cheap now even the normal zoas that come in are the same as the named so they get marked up .
end rant sorry.
end rant sorry.
clkwrk
Active member
No it is not! Just because it has the same color does not in any way mean it is the same coral that aquired the name from whoever named it .
I have a red and bluemonti does that mean it is a super man monti . NO it doesn't you know why ? Because it is Reef Farmmer limited red and blue montistrea.
I have a huge bright yellow tort that was a wild piece is it The Shawn Benette yellow tort? Nope not at all because have that and even thought the 2 are the same species and same color . They are entirly different corals.
Corals are animals and are unique as so not 2 are identical or behave identical.
I have a large orange encrusting monti with white polyps . Should I call it sunset? Nope not IMO because that name belongs to the orange monti tyree has.
Oh one last one . I have the Stubber Acro ( if you don't know then look it up its cool history ) Now its a blue tip staghorn. On the other hand have a frag of a blue tip that is a huge colony now looks almost identical in coloration and is the same species . Can I say my large colony is the Stubber Acro .
I think not
In the end yes the monti above has the same colors as supergirl but it is not a fragment from the orginal colony that took on the name supergirl . Either way the monti is very nice and I am sure the owner got a great deal . Nothing wrong with that .
Justin74
New member
What a beautifully healthy piece! It's an exotic montipora that is for sure, and definately needs no name to empose that
Through whos hands a coral passes makes no difference to me whatsoever as long as it ends up in mine
Just goes to show that just because something may be a limited edition in the hobby doesnt mean it is in the wild.To me this ideology almost insinuates a coral without a name to be generic in a sense, and that's a joke within itself, whoa. Ok, my turn to be done ranting :lol2:
-Justin
Through whos hands a coral passes makes no difference to me whatsoever as long as it ends up in mine
Just goes to show that just because something may be a limited edition in the hobby doesnt mean it is in the wild.To me this ideology almost insinuates a coral without a name to be generic in a sense, and that's a joke within itself, whoa. Ok, my turn to be done ranting :lol2: -Justin
SPStoner
Team RC
Well put, Justin. I agree completely. I know I prefer cool corals to name corals. Sometimes the one I want has a "name" sometimes not. It's funny, that the people who give corals names, I assume to establish a "brand" for themselves to generate sales, ultimately end up creating this whole situation. The divers who collect these things, for the most part, don't know a Montipora Danae from a Mitsubishi Eclipse. They certainly don't know what a "Pokerstar Monti" is. However, once there is a demand for a certain color morph, the guys will seek out the specific coral and thus flood the market with what everyone calls "lookalikes" but what could possibly all be from the same mother colony.
clkwrk, I'll say it again, you have all the cool corals . I think the name game has definately gotten a bit out of control but I must admit to likeing some of those "named" corals. But some don't do a thing for me...for instance the purpe monster, I have never thought much of that coral, is it blasphome to be admitting this? BTW, no disrespect intended to the purple monster...Now on the other hand I love the watermelon chalice and the aquascene golden eye chalice, just love em so I had to have them as well as my other personal favorites that have "brand names". I have gone to the trouble to track down these particualr brand name corals from the right sources so as to get the originals, not look alikes as I agree with clkwrk about the lineage and whether a coral is the same as its look alike, I think not as well. So the name game continues for selling purposes. We all like what we like no matter the name game.
letmegrow, whatever your coral is named, it sure is pretty. If it holds the color as it grows over the next 6 months then you got a great little show stopper no matter what its name is.
. I think the name game has definately gotten a bit out of control but I must admit to likeing some of those "named" corals. But some don't do a thing for me...for instance the purpe monster, I have never thought much of that coral, is it blasphome to be admitting this? BTW, no disrespect intended to the purple monster...Now on the other hand I love the watermelon chalice and the aquascene golden eye chalice, just love em so I had to have them as well as my other personal favorites that have "brand names". I have gone to the trouble to track down these particualr brand name corals from the right sources so as to get the originals, not look alikes as I agree with clkwrk about the lineage and whether a coral is the same as its look alike, I think not as well. So the name game continues for selling purposes. We all like what we like no matter the name game. letmegrow, whatever your coral is named, it sure is pretty. If it holds the color as it grows over the next 6 months then you got a great little show stopper no matter what its name is.
SPStoner
Team RC
I agree more or less with what you are saying. The "name" should only apply if it can be traced to the "namer". That being said, the original coral, Let's say the purple monster for example, was collected in the ocean from a mother colony. I find it hard to believe that the diver only collected on piece, and never went back. It is well known that the divers in the various countries that export corals, work certain areas of reefs, and know where certain corals are likely to be found. If they find a patch of Micromussa or a huge thicket of blue tort, they will mark the coordinates, and work the area on a regular basis ( hopefully not overhavesting, but utilizing a sustainable resource). That being said, logic would dictate that there are in fact more colonies of the "original" Purple Monster out there.
A murky situation for sure. My policy is, if I like a coral, I will pay the price being asked. I have many of the name corals that I paid a premium for, and many lookalikes that didn't cost near as much. Most people who see my tank don't know which is which. In fact, some of the most sought after name corals, like the PM, and the Pink lemonade, rarely garner any attention in my tank from visitors.
A murky situation for sure. My policy is, if I like a coral, I will pay the price being asked. I have many of the name corals that I paid a premium for, and many lookalikes that didn't cost near as much. Most people who see my tank don't know which is which. In fact, some of the most sought after name corals, like the PM, and the Pink lemonade, rarely garner any attention in my tank from visitors.
