ID: valida, nana or xx?

[dvanacker]

I know its an ORA coral...

ora nor tanzania nor pearlberry are species names.

 

[chefzif]

+1 on pearlberry! I would move the GSP from being around it though

 

[Jeremy Blaze]

I know its an ORA coral...

ora nor tanzania nor pearlberry are species names.

I'm glad to see someone else trying to avoid the brand names.

 

[Soy]

I know its an ORA coral...

ora nor tanzania nor pearlberry are species names.

the ora species was a joke and tanzania is the geographical morph of the species I was referring to

 

[Soy]

I'm glad to see someone else trying to avoid the brand names.

I dont understand this statement at all. This is a hobby not purely an academic discipline. everything is branded with names and theres a business side to this as well

 

[Jeremy Blaze]

I dont understand this statement at all. This is a hobby not purely an academic discipline. everything is branded with names and theres a business side to this as well

Unless you can trace to coral back to the peson that gave it the 'name' then you can not really call a coral by that name.

Otherwise using that 'brand' name on a coral that looks like the branded one, is not correct.

My cell phone may look like an apple iphone, but if it does not have any markings to prove it, would you buy it just because I said it was an iphone?

Using the brand name when you do not know for sure it is infact from that 'brand' you are doing a diservice to the 'brand' name.

A brand name on a coral is just a silly marketing term used to increase percevied value.

 

[Soy]

names aren't only made for lineage purposes such as oregon tort, jedi mind trick etc. but also to label the coral. everything is marketed with terms that consumers relate to in perceived value why would corals be the exception?

 

[Soy]

and just to let you know theres a higher price demanded from lineage corals. you pay more from getting it from the originator or the person to first slap a label on it and market the coral. realistically speaking, your view on labeling corals will never hold because people will always call them by a label because they could care less about scientific names

 

[Soy]

and not to mention that coral naming would be super complicated if we could only call the original coral by that name. then others will call it by another and we have 20 different oregon torts

 

[Jeremy Blaze]

names aren't only made for lineage purposes such as oregon tort, jedi mind trick etc. but also to label the coral. everything is marketed with terms that consumers relate to in perceived value why would corals be the exception?

There are already names in place to label coral. Vernon worked very hard on putting a series of books together to properly name and id acroporas.

Its different if someone is making a new coral and giving it a name, but no one is making new corals.

 

[Jeremy Blaze]

and just to let you know theres a higher price demanded from lineage corals. you pay more from getting it from the originator or the person to first slap a label on it and market the coral. realistically speaking, your view on labeling corals will never hold because people will always call them by a label because they could care less about scientific names

Yes there is a higher demand for 'lineage corals'. Becuase someone calls it LE people think it is truely LE and thus worth more.

What happens when people get a coral that looks like an LE and calles it an LE and sells it for the price of an LE?

Is that not a counterfiet coral? If it did not come from the source?

What does that do to the value of the trut LE, when the market is being flooded by so called LE corals?

Yes people will always go to the labeled name over the scientific name. why, two reasons,

1. people are affraid of scientific names, which are used because they are universial, acros languages, because people are afraid to try and pronounce Latin

and 2. Because catchy LE names sound cool.


If I had a Acropora nana for sale people would not click on the link, but if I posted a "Rare super galactic purple tipped with sparkling tan polyped Limited Edition branching Acro, people would be all over it.

Its classic Marketing 101.

 

[Jeremy Blaze]

and not to mention that coral naming would be super complicated if we could only call the original coral by that name. then others will call it by another and we have 20 different oregon torts

Coral naming would be super easy if everyone used the existing scientific names that have been in place for many many years.

 

[Jeremy Blaze]

and not to mention that coral naming would be super complicated if we could only call the original coral by that name. then others will call it by another and we have 20 different oregon torts

Your Tort example is perfect.


There is only 1 tort, Acropora Tortusa,

yet, we have,

Oregon Torts, Cali Torts, and who knows what else.


Are Oregon Torts only found and grown in Oregon? Of Course not, not many tropical Reefs in Oregon.

They all came from the same place, and it was no were near Oregon or CAli.

 

[Jeremy Blaze]

Sorry to the OP for taking this thread off topic.

 

[Soy]

dude, i understand what points you are making but I'm a business major myself and your points are just not realistic. we can go on forever debating about the business aspect of this hobby but its pointless and realistically, it is what it is.

 

[Jeremy Blaze]

It would be different if the corals were objects that were being manufactured, but they are not.

If you want to fall prey to the clever marketed "LE' corals, go ahead. Me, I prefer to pay fair market prices for corals that I like, not what I think are cool, because everyone is talking about the new rare 'super pokemon coral with martian eyes'.

 

[Soy]

but you have to see it from the business side as well when theres competition to capture a larger market share in a flooded industry and not to mention you are competing against the typical neighborhood hobbyist as well. its all hype and i agree but its necessary for these vendors and for some hobbyists it makes the hobby enjoyable to have a coral others can't have

 

[OneReef]

It's much easier to talk to your friend and say, hey, do you want a frag of a Pearlberry? Rather than say, hey, do you want a frag of Acropora Cofodactyla (or whatever it is) that is whitish pearl colored with bluish purplish tips? Or, I have a Birds of Paradise frag, or I have a frag of Seriatopora Guttatas that has a green base with purple polyps.... That's ludicrous. Whos gonna walk around spouting off scientific names off the top of their head?? Maybe 1% of the reef world.

 

[Jeremy Blaze]

There is nothing wrong with educating yourself, about the Live animals you are keeping, and using universally accepted terms, such as scientific names.

Just like in many other hobbies based on wildlife.

Talk to some plant nuts, or fossil geeks, most will use the latin name, as common names do not always cross languages.

 

[dvanacker]

There are already names in place to label coral. Vernon worked very hard on putting a series of books together to properly name and id acroporas.

Its different if someone is making a new coral and giving it a name, but no one is making new corals.

That is like say all people can go by the name homosapien. We are all the same species but very different. Just like there are different versions of all acropora species. Nothing wrong with given them common names IMO and yes certain ones are more rare, beautiful and deserve a higher price tag. Its just the way it is...... I admit there is marketing going on, but that is only a play on what we as consumers want. We drive it. Although I will also admit some trickery happens as well because of the intricacies involved with such rare and sensitive species.

My point about the pearlberry is that when someone comes on and asks for an id people always try to find the closest common named coral to what it looks like and the fact is if it was in fact a pearlberry the owner would know. It would have been sold to him as that.