I'll be honest here guys, im having an ich problem in my two reef tanks, they are newer tanks at 7 months old so the corals arent huge but im battling ich or velvet or both..
Its odd, because only the tangs/foxface and angelfish get it. I never notice white spots or any disease in any other type of fish, including a lawnmower scooter blenny, flame hawk, i have 5 dfifferent types of damsels between the two tanks including 3 stripe, yellow tail, azure, talbots and green chromis. None of them get it. I have a orchid dottyback who never gets it either, same with a bangaii cardinal.
But anything i get that tang i want it comes up with white spots. I actually have only lost 1 tang from it, the other 2 tangs got stuck in rocks "both yellow tangs" and essentually killed themselves when the lights went off and they went to hide, ive had discus do this before so i dont get yellow tangs anymore. I have had a kole tang die but i was on vacation and my friend was watching my fish for the 8 days i was gone and on day 5 i had 5 fish die the next morning.. so something happend and i dont think it was ich.
Right now i have a Yellow Mimic tang in my 75g, and a kole tang and foxface in my 135g and the kole and fox get ich.. but only on the fins in the morning then they fall off during the day, maybe a spot or two on the body but thats it. They both seem pretty active and healthy.
I have actually been dosing herbtana for 6 days in the tank and i noticed a significant reduction in white spots using it.. So im sure ill catch flak saying it doesnt work but i have actually noticed it working. The tank i didnt use it in was the 75g and the mimic tang will get tiny white dots all over him.. then its gone in a few hours.. then it comes back and so forth im not sure what it is ich or velvet.. Im worried its velvet..
Dealing with this for months, i finally got a 20 long gallon i cant afford a bigger tank nore can i fit one. I'll be honest here i dont think i should take 20 fish from the two tanks and put them into a 20 long tank.. Its just too many fish, and the kole tang only eats algae on the rocks and glass he doesnt touch normal food so i worry hell starve to death if i move him.
So i was thinking just take the corals, as much rock and sand out as i can put it in the 20 gallon, and dose both tanks allowing the fish to be in a familiar surrounding and not be stressed from a quarantine tank that will undoubtably get ammonia and crammed problems, and the damsels im sure will tear eachother apart as well if i mix that many of them together.
I honestly dont mind tossing my sand and rock after treatment.. "well after 72 days when the corals are going fallow in the 20L" its not expensive to buy rock and sand, and the rocks i put in the 20L i can put back in the tanks not to mention my filters so the tank will still have a cycle.
Anyway, sorry for a long post. I am very worried about using curpamine, ive read up on copper and dosing and how much to dose and so forth and i keep reading copper burning the fish, damaging organs, and killing the fish as well. I read it can cause the fish to stop eating, and lets be honest here 20-30 days of not eating if it happens is a death sentence to a fish, ive seen first hand what discus turn into when they stop eating, they turn into the walking dead..
I read the bottle says 20 drops per 10 gallons, but i read to do 10 drops then 10 drops then 10 drops to slowely build it up so the fish can acclimate to it.
I'll be honest here.. im scared of using this stuff, and im almost thinking of just continuing to use Herbtana if i notice any major outbreaks as i have seen this stuff "control" it in a way. And just keeping my fish as stress free as possible.
The only fish i worry about though is the mimic tang.. when the spots show up he turns paleish and wobbles slightly, then a few hours later i dont see the spots anymore and hes fine.. its wierd... I worry if i dont use cupramine he will die.. The fox and kole tang they seem ok
What should I do here.... Sigh...
I was thinking maybe do hyposalinity instead, but ive read that doesnt always work... and it can completetly kill the cycle causing ammonia spikes, but i suppose with hypo i can actually just use ammonia chips to take the ammonia out of the water.. But if i do hypo how do i calibrate my refractometer properly so it reads salinity at 1.08 ?
Its odd, because only the tangs/foxface and angelfish get it. I never notice white spots or any disease in any other type of fish, including a lawnmower scooter blenny, flame hawk, i have 5 dfifferent types of damsels between the two tanks including 3 stripe, yellow tail, azure, talbots and green chromis. None of them get it. I have a orchid dottyback who never gets it either, same with a bangaii cardinal.
But anything i get that tang i want it comes up with white spots. I actually have only lost 1 tang from it, the other 2 tangs got stuck in rocks "both yellow tangs" and essentually killed themselves when the lights went off and they went to hide, ive had discus do this before so i dont get yellow tangs anymore. I have had a kole tang die but i was on vacation and my friend was watching my fish for the 8 days i was gone and on day 5 i had 5 fish die the next morning.. so something happend and i dont think it was ich.
Right now i have a Yellow Mimic tang in my 75g, and a kole tang and foxface in my 135g and the kole and fox get ich.. but only on the fins in the morning then they fall off during the day, maybe a spot or two on the body but thats it. They both seem pretty active and healthy.
I have actually been dosing herbtana for 6 days in the tank and i noticed a significant reduction in white spots using it.. So im sure ill catch flak saying it doesnt work but i have actually noticed it working. The tank i didnt use it in was the 75g and the mimic tang will get tiny white dots all over him.. then its gone in a few hours.. then it comes back and so forth im not sure what it is ich or velvet.. Im worried its velvet..
Dealing with this for months, i finally got a 20 long gallon i cant afford a bigger tank nore can i fit one. I'll be honest here i dont think i should take 20 fish from the two tanks and put them into a 20 long tank.. Its just too many fish, and the kole tang only eats algae on the rocks and glass he doesnt touch normal food so i worry hell starve to death if i move him.
So i was thinking just take the corals, as much rock and sand out as i can put it in the 20 gallon, and dose both tanks allowing the fish to be in a familiar surrounding and not be stressed from a quarantine tank that will undoubtably get ammonia and crammed problems, and the damsels im sure will tear eachother apart as well if i mix that many of them together.
I honestly dont mind tossing my sand and rock after treatment.. "well after 72 days when the corals are going fallow in the 20L" its not expensive to buy rock and sand, and the rocks i put in the 20L i can put back in the tanks not to mention my filters so the tank will still have a cycle.
Anyway, sorry for a long post. I am very worried about using curpamine, ive read up on copper and dosing and how much to dose and so forth and i keep reading copper burning the fish, damaging organs, and killing the fish as well. I read it can cause the fish to stop eating, and lets be honest here 20-30 days of not eating if it happens is a death sentence to a fish, ive seen first hand what discus turn into when they stop eating, they turn into the walking dead..
I read the bottle says 20 drops per 10 gallons, but i read to do 10 drops then 10 drops then 10 drops to slowely build it up so the fish can acclimate to it.
I'll be honest here.. im scared of using this stuff, and im almost thinking of just continuing to use Herbtana if i notice any major outbreaks as i have seen this stuff "control" it in a way. And just keeping my fish as stress free as possible.
The only fish i worry about though is the mimic tang.. when the spots show up he turns paleish and wobbles slightly, then a few hours later i dont see the spots anymore and hes fine.. its wierd... I worry if i dont use cupramine he will die.. The fox and kole tang they seem ok
What should I do here.... Sigh...
I was thinking maybe do hyposalinity instead, but ive read that doesnt always work... and it can completetly kill the cycle causing ammonia spikes, but i suppose with hypo i can actually just use ammonia chips to take the ammonia out of the water.. But if i do hypo how do i calibrate my refractometer properly so it reads salinity at 1.08 ?
