IMO Bad LFS

nwkennard

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Hi all -

About a month and a half ago I bought a blue ribbon eel from the House of Fins, located on US 1 and SW 141st Street. A very friendly saleswoman was helping me with my selections, and I specifically asked if the eel was eating and if it would be reef safe. She told me that the eel was currently eating frozen food, and that it may take a week for him to adjust to a new set-up before eating regularly. In addition, she said that he was not eating any small fish, which seemed reasonable because there was a small pseudochromis in the tank with him. I decided to purchase the eel on the premise that he would eat frozen food in about a week and that he would not bother any of the other reef inhabitants.

Well, a week went by and the eel still was not eating. Shortly thereafter I had to leave the country and left the care of my tank to my siblings. While overseas, I did a lot of research on Reef Central and the web and had my siblings try some different methods for feeding the eel. Still, the eel would not eat. Eventually he began to eat my smaller fish and some of my ornamental shrimp. After a month of patience and experimentation, I thought the best thing to do was to have him returned to the store, as I was afraid that he might die from starvation and/or devour the rest of my tank.

Today we tried bringing the eel back to the House of Fins. I understand that when you buy an animal you take a certain risk and that things do not always work out as you might hope. For this reason, I was not asking for a refund; rather, I simply wanted a store credit for the $59.99 that I spent on the eel. Because I am still overseas, I was on the phone with my sister and mother while they attempted to return the eel. First, the store owner, in a very obnoxious manner, said, "Sure, we'll take the eel, but we will not give you full credit." On top of that, he asserted that I had only paid $49.99 for the eel, when in fact I had paid $59.99. I tried to explain the situation to him in a very calm and logical manner: namely, that the eel was sold to me on the premise that it would eat frozen food within the week and that it was not eating the smaller fish that it lived with. Neither of these things turned out to be true, and therefore I deserved a full store credit. The store owner then became incredibly hostile, screaming at both my mother and me and accusing me of calling the saleswoman, who happened to be his wife, a "liar." I had mentioned to him that, after buying the eel, I did some research hoping to find some way to prevent the eel from starving to death. He said, "See, if you had done some research, you would have known that my wife was not lying to you." First of all, this argument doesn't even make sense. Second of all, I never said that she intentionally deceived me, but rather that the information I was given turned out, in the end, to be incorrect.

In any case, the store owner continued to raise his voice and pushed the phone back to my mother. To top it all off, while my sister and mother were looking to spend the store credit of $25, half of what I "supposedly" paid for the eel, they stumbled across the holding tank from which I purchased the eel. The price was still written on the glass: Blue ribbon eel, $59.99. When they questioned the store owner about this, he said, "You have a black ribbon eel, not a blue ribbon eel." The eel that I returned was 2 1/2 feet long and was clearly blue and yellow (adult), not black and yellow (juvenile). Obviously he was just looking for a way to rip me off.

Initially, I had high hopes for this LFS. They seemed to have a good selection and reasonable prices. Now, however, I realize that the store is completely unprofessional and is not at all committed to customer satisfaction (not to mention the health of their animals!). They lost a good customer today, and I would discourage anyone from going there.

My apologies for the rant!

:)
 
That sucks for you, but even more so for the eel. Keeping a blue ribbon eel is on my wishlist of ultra advanced things to keep when I have a species tank one day. They are so gorgeous.

The store owner did a bad thing, but hopefully you have learned an important lesson to always research things BEFORE you buy them.

Most store owners know less about the creatures they are selling than the average hobbyist. Most people are just out to make a buck and don't accept returns. Do not ever expect most LFS owners to know what they're talking about, better to find out for yourself, then if what they tell you is correct you will be happy to have found a reputable seller. Just think of buying corals like buying a new car, there are great sellers and there are also con artists.

There are so many creatures that are collected and sold in this hobby that just shouldn't be sold. Its getting better nowadays as hobbyists are more educated and have less demand for advanced care items.

But how many mandarins, nudibranchs, sea horses, elegance corals, etc have died because we as hobbyists don't do the necessary research ahead of time?

We've all been there, its just one of those mistakes we try not to make again.

Morgan Mok
 
Wel yeah these things do happen once in while.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9971454#post9971454 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ek9vboi
wow. I think am I going to think twice about going there for anything.

Same here.
 
I just wanted to point out some things from one hobbyist to another and please this is not to starta flame war....

In the future do realize that alot of stores DO NOT offer refunds at all for any livestock. The fact he was willing to give you half was a nice gesture.

If you did purchase it for 59.99 all you simply needed was the receipt...and there would have been no arguement on the pricing.

Considering his tone he sounded like he was a ***** and could have conducted himself in a better manner but as everything goes...theres always two sides toa story... I can assume you may have been throwing him some attitude as well. I say this because I know the guy(not personally) but I have purchased a thing or two in the past and always have been greeted with smiles and courtesy.

And last but not least it's not his duty nor any of his employees to tell you if this animal is reef safe or the MASSIVE difficulty especially for the eel you purchased on how to keep him alive and mainly on getting him to eat at all. RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH. I don't want to come off like an a-hole but I have been down your path and realized a healthy and happy community in your tank is all going to be based on you doing the homework. And as everyone knows there are certain fish that we as hobbyists want to keep but can be a hit or miss depending on tank setup.

Just simply educate yourself on your future purchases to avoid these scenarios and read up on what usually works with your tank and setup.

good luck,

Nick
 
Flamehawk I couldn't agree with you more, in retrospect I probably should have had the women demonstrate it eating.

Miamireef I thought they were very friendly at first, no question about it, it was when this complication arose and how quickly they changed that shocked me. Look I use to worked for a LFS a few years back owners were the same way, nice and friendly to a POTENTIAL BUYER, but if that buyer came back with a problem their attitudes would switch to defense mode. After less than two years the store went under. In my opinion the difference between success and failure in this business is not the quick buck but integrity.


Thanks for the input.
 
Wow that really sucks. I hate to hear things like this because I work at a LFS and try my best to serve the customer in any way I can. I will not sell livestock to customers if they are not eating and always have some mysis around to make sure the fish/inverts are eating before being bagged up.

I also agree that it's part of the hobbyist responsibility to know what they are putting in there tanks. Sorry to hear about your situation and another LFS that I have to cross off my list.

-Matthew
 
its nice of them to offer any credit.
taking back a fish is taking a risk
but yelling at a customer O_O jeez

why are you returning it.. possiably your tankis dieing . or .. somthing.... hes taking a risk taking it back. no reason you should get more back then what he paid.

research ahead of time and dont let it happen again. it sucks dosnt it.:( i wish i could return some coral i just got. but not even gonna try because id be risking my fave stores display ( altho i could use the 60 bucks )
 
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Wow, I just met him yesterday. Seemed like a nice guy. He helped me out with what I needed and even exchanged a few words. IMO, it was very unprofessional the way he went off like that. He should have worked out a deal with you. On the other hand, you should have done research and showed him a receipt. In my experience, some LFS owners do not like people returning livestock.
 
i don’t understand how someone could buy a $60.00 fish and not know anything about it other than what the salesmen said.

i also don’t get how anyone could expect that a two foot eel with large teeth wouldn’t eat small fish.

i also don’t get how someone could expect any store owner to accept a return without a receipt brought in by their mother and a cell phone.


the store owner seemed (as described) to be a real jerk, but as a customer we should accept responsibility for the animals we purchase

sorry you got a raw deal ... better luck in the future.
 
I think you guys who can return livestock are lucky. Barrier Reef here in boca are generally great people, but they don't really know much about what they sell specifically (they know general aquaria of course, just not specialized requirements), and they definitely don't do anything as far as returns or live arrival guarantees. I wish more LFS did that, but some people will say that LFS hardly make any money, and some people say that LFS are rolling in the dough from markup. Who is right? Who knows. All I know is that the customer should always come first regardless, but if they've got it printed on the wall, no returns no matter what, then it is what it is, and it's your job to find a good home for the livestock if you can't provide it.

Sorry you had cra-ppy luck, hopefully next time with your research, and the store's good selection/livestock health, you'll have a great purchase on your hands!
 
they have always bee very friendly w/ me and i never had any problems. In fact they are one of the more friendly stores that are out there.

that is a super hard eel to keep and you should have not even bought it in the first place. especially if you are not there to care for it.

considering that you had the eel for what seems like a few weeks imo they have the right to wipe their hands clean of the situation.

better luck next time
 
I agree with all of you, research before you buy, should have done more of it before I made the purchase.

If you read my original text you will see that I'm really not upset about the eel eating my fish............I know in this hobby there are many unpredictable things that happen.

What I’m upset about is how the owner handled the situation. I was just caught off guard by the owner’s behavior. If he would have conducted himself in more appropriate manner I would not have been upset at all. Unless the employees are wearing shirts that say “ we are NOT accountable for what we tell you” a little more patience and understanding should be given.

Jessp I agree with you they were extremely friendly with me after I made my purchase I told my sister I believe I have found a new favorite store. The reason I did not bring it back earlier was because they said it would take a couple of weeks before it ate.

Now Jogo maybe you should do some research on the blue ribbon eel before chiming in. The blue ribbon eels have bodies that are not really the same proportions to that of the Morays. A two foot long eel’s head would be smaller than your thumb. And they most certainly do not have “large teeth.” In terms of the eel eating other fish the same risk as putting a snowflake eel in a reef tank……..which I know many who do.
 
Re: IMO Bad LFS

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9971212#post9971212 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nwkennard
A very friendly saleswoman was helping me with my selections, and I specifically asked if the eel was eating and if it would be reef safe. She told me that the eel was currently eating frozen food, and that it may take a week for him to adjust to a new set-up before eating regularly.
:)
In future I would ask to actually observe the fish eating,rather than taking someones word on it.If the store refuses to feed the fish that you wish to purchase,then I would shop elsewhere.HTH
 
Well-its no ones fault but yourself-sorry had to say it.
Imagine this!! Every hobbyist returning livestock at their leisure its just not going to happen. Stores have overhead and some of their livestock dies 2- the fact that they offered wholesale price was IMO a great gesture.
Some stores better than others 4 sure.
It would be great to listen to the other side of the story! lol
Btw Ive never ever shopped there and I don't know the owner.
My suggestion - familiarize yourself with LFS owners and be a good customer and u will be surprised how good some of those guys can be.
I tell u what if you are a returning customer of the very good LFS( Reeflife-Eco etc..) they will take care of you period, that's been my experience for many years and lucky now to live close to excellent stores and owners.
 
btw i sold a coral today.. it was for some ones husband tank who " has a tank with these things in it already"

after trying to talk her into buying a giftcard instead and explaining to her what can go wrong.. i ended up bagging it up
and i made sure to write on the reciept " braincoral can return for 50percent of price if still healthy"
usualy its no returns but felt bad for hte coral.... but im not about to take it back at full price
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9976835#post9976835 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by A.T.T.R
btw i sold a coral today.. it was for some ones husband tank who " has a tank with these things in it already"

after trying to talk her into buying a giftcard instead and explaining to her what can go wrong.. i ended up bagging it up
and i made sure to write on the reciept " braincoral can return for 50percent of price if still healthy"
usualy its no returns but felt bad for hte coral.... but im not about to take it back at full price
exactly my point.
 
I have never had anything but wonderful experiences with House of Fins. Great deals, great customer service.

I have personally sold numerous frags and fish to him for what I consider excellent prices.

Unfortunately, we're only hearing one side of the story on this experience. I wouldn't be so quick to judge a LFS a bad one based on one person's poor planning, research and side of the story.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9973683#post9973683 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nwkennard


Now Jogo maybe you should do some research on the blue ribbon eel before chiming in. The blue ribbon eels have bodies that are not really the same proportions to that of the Morays. A two foot long eel’s head would be smaller than your thumb. And they most certainly do not have “large teeth.” In terms of the eel eating other fish the same risk as putting a snowflake eel in a reef tank……..which I know many who do.

first off, it's Kogo not Jogo. the "K" is just to the right of the "J".

as for my research on blue ribbon eels... when i bought my first salt water book in 1994 the first section i read was "species to avoid" they listed the blue ribbon eel as a highly difficult fish to keep (as did every other book ive ever read on the subject) and that it would eat small fish if it ate at all. so, before i ever bought my first salt water fish, i knew then ( as do all us wierd people who still read books ) that blue ribbon eels were a bad purchase.

also, over the last thirteen years i have seen many blue ribbon eels in dealer tanks eat live fish (often a blue chromis put in specificaly to be eaten by the eel) and die the next day anyways. and even when i worked in several LFS i had seen a few blue ribbon eels (and many other carnivorous fish for that matter) happily eat frozen food in the store only to stop eating once they were sold. (for the record, i never sold a blue ribbon eel... i always told people that if they had to ask me how to keep it alive, they should not buy it.. .it always worked)

the bottom line is, that you went into a store, spent money on an impulse, and got taken advantage of because you didnt know what you were buying. in the end you decided to blame the dealer instead of your own impulsivity.

yes, the dealer took advantage of you, but you made it sooooo easy. and my point is that you should chalk it up as experiance and buy a book next time.


sorry for the rant, i can get carried away somtimes.
 
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