Interesting Commentary on Global Warming

[billsreef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9531305#post9531305 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Rossini
hahaha you're not the sharpest nail in the box are you....

[chimp]


Come on folks, the personal barbs need to stay out of these discussions.

 

[HippieSmell]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9531555#post9531555 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Cronus
Haha...another example of a pro GW fanatic dismissing data out of hand....exactly what you accuse AGW fanatics of doing.

I skimmed it, and it was exactly what I thought it would be. There wasn't anything in there that I haven't seen many, many times before. The arguments weren't viable then, and they aren't viable now. It's still the same old think tank fodder, worth about as much as the paper it was printed on.

 

[Cronus]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9532008#post9532008 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HippieSmell
I skimmed it, and it was exactly what I thought it would be. There wasn't anything in there that I haven't seen many, many times before. The arguments weren't viable then, and they aren't viable now. It's still the same old think tank fodder, worth about as much as the paper it was printed on.

Ignorance is bliss, peer reviewed papers are hardly 'think tank fodder' and are far more viable than you care to give credit for.

 

[HippieSmell]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9532178#post9532178 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Cronus
Ignorance is bliss, peer reviewed papers are hardly 'think tank fodder' and are far more viable than you care to give credit for.

There's nothing wrong with the papers they are discussing, as you're correct, they are peer reviewed. It's the annotations I have an issue with. It's the spin and the doubt that is cast on REAL science that is the problem. It's classic think tank fodder.

 

[HippieSmell]

I'll make a deal with you. If you feel there is something in there that is particularly compelling, let us know, and I'll discuss it using my blissful ignorance.

 

[Mogrash]

Please define 'REAL science'.

Thanks in advance.

 

[HippieSmell]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9533702#post9533702 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mogrash
Please define 'REAL science'.

Thanks in advance.

You're a scientist, why don't you tell us?

Anyway, it's not an easily answered question, depending on how deep you want to go. But, I will point out the difference between the peer reviewed science that the IPCC relies on, what I'll call "real" science, and what think tanks do. Real science is where you have a hypothesis, design a way to test the hypothesis, collect data, and interpret the data. Then other scientists review it to hopefully find mistakes. Think tanks (GW think tanks, anyway) don't do this. At best they take real science and twist it or tell half truths; at worst they simply say things that aren't true. Think tanks never do original research, and the article posted is the same thing. They have actual peer reviewed articles that they "discuss" to fit a preconceived end. Now, if they funded legitimate research and allowed it to be peer reviewed and it showed AGW to be false, then I would be interested. That hasn't happened yet. Think tanks trick people into thinking that it is "real" science, because PhD's have their name on it and sometimes they cite sources. Often times the citation is of another "scientific study" that turns out to be another think tank. It's a big merry-go-round of junk.

 

[virginiadiver69]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9528760#post9528760 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by scottras


Due to who's predictions? I have never seen anything that says the world will end in ten years. Thats the trouble with misinformation, you never know who starts it for what reason.

Willy Lowman said so, "within as little as 10 years"
http://thinkprogress.org/gore-nyu

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9528760#post9528760 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by scottras


So you just have a problem with charity?

I said I DON'T have any problem with charity, as long as it's done for the right reasons. Giving out of guilt, fear or duty is not charity.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9528760#post9528760 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by scottras

I have no problem with whatever motivates people to help one another.

That's a real shame you feel that way. I think guilt is actually a very selfish motivator. If you give a bum change because it helps aswage your guilt who are you really trying to help? That bum has just become a tool to make yourself feel better. Kind of ironic, isn't it?

 

[virginiadiver69]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9510747#post9510747 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by scottras
In fact on the weekend I managed to reduce my constant energy consumption by 20W.

I have a group of four 75W bulbs over the wet bar in my den. One has been burned out for about two weeks now and I have not replaced it yet. If I let it be and don't replace it will that make me an environmentalist? I mean...that's 75W right there!
Where can I buy carbon credits?

 

[virginiadiver69]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9528047#post9528047 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HippieSmell
Uh, if your electricity comes from a wind farm or solar panels, your tank will be powered by wind farms and solar panels. Lol, shocking, I know.

Does YOURS ?

 

[virginiadiver69]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9531305#post9531305 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Rossini

By the way all my electricty comes from Wind farms its a deal set up with my electricty supplier N Power.

If that is the truth than you are a stand out. You are the ONLY one I have come across that actually walks the walk. We could probably have wind farms here but our elected heroes don't like to have there view of Nantucket Bay obscured(ted kennedy).

Oh, almost forgot to ask, how is the energy created by the wind farms stored? Batteries? Generators?

 

[virginiadiver69]

Ninong, what form of "green energy" do you use to power your reef?
scottras, I would ask you but your on the "10 year plan"

 

[scottras]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9534486#post9534486 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by virginiadiver69
Willy Lowman said so, "within as little as 10 years"
http://thinkprogress.org/gore-nyu


I said I DON'T have any problem with charity, as long as it's done for the right reasons. Giving out of guilt, fear or duty is not charity.


That's a real shame you feel that way. I think guilt is actually a very selfish motivator. If you give a bum change because it helps aswage your guilt who are you really trying to help? That bum has just become a tool to make yourself feel better. Kind of ironic, isn't it?

Interesting article, thank you for that. I have read about the positive feedback loops regarding the methane in the tundra, however I had not heard about them thawing any time soon. I may have to upgrade my plan a bit. We have state and federal elections happening soon so hopefully I can make a difference there.

Well actually it is. Your definition of charity does not match any that I have seen. Maybe you should look it up in the dictionary.

I do feel that way. While it may not be the best form of charity, it still helps. ie, if you give a homeless person money because you feel guilty, it may not be the best reason to give. However that does not change the fact that he/she can use that money to eat or drink. Sorry but if I was starving on the street, I wouldn't care why someone gave me money if it meant I could have something to eat.

Also calling a homeless person a "bum" is degrading.

 

[scottras]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9534631#post9534631 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by virginiadiver69
I have a group of four 75W bulbs over the wet bar in my den. One has been burned out for about two weeks now and I have not replaced it yet. If I let it be and don't replace it will that make me an environmentalist? I mean...that's 75W right there!
Where can I buy carbon credits?

Well that depends: if you have not changed it because you are lazy, then you are not an environmentalist. If you have not changed it because you feel that using 300W to light a bar might be excessive, then maybe there is hope for you yet.

I have used energy efficient bulbs wherever I can. I try to make all things in the house more efficient. We have only owned it for around 6 months so it takes a while. If I save 20W from my reef tank it is because i have already done the most obvious things to save energy without compromising the health of the inhabitants. 20W might not sound like much, but if I have already saved hunfred of watts elswhere then it may sound a little better.

 

[scottras]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9534734#post9534734 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by virginiadiver69


Oh, almost forgot to ask, how is the energy created by the wind farms stored? Batteries? Generators?

It is usually sent straight into the grid, so that less power is created from the main power station. At least that is the case here.

 

[virginiadiver69]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9535157#post9535157 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by scottras
Well that depends: if you have not changed it because you are lazy, then you are not an environmentalist. If you have not changed it because you feel that using 300W to light a bar might be excessive, then maybe there is hope for you yet.

I thought motivation did not matter. Your oppinion when it comes to charity is it's the OUTCOME that is important. Do you you think the earth cares weather it was out of lazyness?
WOW! The hypocracy is getting deep!

 

[virginiadiver69]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9535157#post9535157 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by scottras
If you have not changed it because you feel that using 300W to light a bar might be excessive, then maybe there is hope for you yet.

How much wattage do you use to light your fish tank?

 

[virginiadiver69]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9534734#post9534734 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by virginiadiver69
Oh, almost forgot to ask, how is the energy created by the wind farms stored? Batteries? Generators?

This was addressed to Rossini, not you. He said he is 100% dependent on wind supplied energy. The scenario you describe sounds a little dubious.

 

[virginiadiver69]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9521800#post9521800 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ninong
If you have thoughts or opinions, chime right in. However, if it is to subscribe only, it is more polite to do it the other way, so people like me come running back to the thread for information won't be disappointed with two "tagging" posts in a row. <BR>

I must agree on this one yrema, These people are busy saving the world. They can't be bothered.

 

[virginiadiver69]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9535157#post9535157 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by scottras
I have used energy efficient bulbs wherever I can. I try to make all things in the house more efficient. We have only owned it for around 6 months so it takes a while.

How long does it take to buy efficient bulbs? You say you used energy efficient bulbs "wherever you can", Does this mean there are places were you can not? Or is that on your 10 yr plan also?