Is this ich?

[ThRoewer]

I think a black bucket will be better, but orange will be ok too. Switching buckets shouldn't upset the fish too much if any at all.

For future TTM this style I would suggest to get some clear containers. That way you can observe the fish better and see quickly if there is a problem.

 

[snorvich]

I think a black bucket will be better, but orange will be ok too. Switching buckets shouldn't upset the fish too much if any at all.

For future TTM this style I would suggest to get some clear containers. That way you can observe the fish better and see quickly if there is a problem.

This. Many fish are color blind, by the way.

 

[BigBlueTang]

I think a black bucket will be better, but orange will be ok too. Switching buckets shouldn't upset the fish too much if any at all.



For future TTM this style I would suggest to get some clear containers. That way you can observe the fish better and see quickly if there is a problem.

Will do. This is just me trying to get the treatment done ASAP. I've put it off long enough. Prime should be added on the second day correct?

 

[BigBlueTang]

Got up early to start TTM. He's dead. No idea on how. Ich isn't that fast of a killer!!
Brook and velvet are out of the question, as I had him for almost 5 weeks.
He had a mucous coating on him.. Which looks a lot like velvet or brook, but I think he died in his sleep.
Can anyone shine any light on this? I'm really discouraged. Thinking about quitting the hobby. I'm 0/3.

 

[snorvich]

Got up early to start TTM. He's dead. No idea on how. Ich isn't that fast of a killer!!

Correct.

Brook and velvet are out of the question, as I had him for almost 5 weeks.

No, brook, velvet or uronema are very much in play in that time frame if the fish was acquired from a source that runs a low level of copper. (most do)

 

[BigBlueTang]

Correct.







No, brook, velvet or uronema are very much in play in that time frame if the fish was acquired from a source that runs a low level of copper. (most do)

Really?? I thought even with copper the timeframe was only 2-3 weeks.
Huh.
I'll talk to the owner of the LFS. He was a TOTM winner, so I highly doubt he runs copper. We'll see.

 

[BigBlueTang]

 

[ThRoewer]

I'm sorry he didn't make it.

I don't think it was velvet or brook that killed him, even though they can't be ruled out. I'm pretty sure it was either the Cryptocaryon or a secondary bacterial infection.

In the first picture he had already a very heavy Cryptocaryon infection. Every white dot you see on him you have to multiply with 200 to 300 to get the intensity of the next wave that will hit him. Assuming he had about 500 parasites on his skin, fins and gills and taking the high multiplier of 300 you get 150,000 tomites for the next wave. That's absolutely lethal.

While Cryptocaryon builds up slow in the beginning it can progress quickly at advanced stages as it has an avalanche effect to it. When you see a fish having more white dots than you can easily count immediate action is required, even if it is just one transfer right after the parasites fall off to reduce the intensity of the next wave. Switching to therapeutic Hyposalinity is another way to at a minimum give the fish some relive and to buy some time until you can set up everything for TTM. In many cases hyposalinity alone may even be enough to kill the parasites off. Though it would still be a good idea to do a round of tank transfers to be on the safe side.

 

[ThRoewer]

Really?? I thought even with copper the timeframe was only 2-3 weeks.
Huh.
I'll talk to the owner of the LFS. He was a TOTM winner, so I highly doubt he runs copper. We'll see.

Like with Cryptocaryon, fish can develop full or partial immunity against all other protozoan parasites. All it takes is a large enough stressor that weakens the fish's immune system to unleash the parasites. So a brook or velvet outbreak can happen at any time and there is not really a time after which you are absolutely safe. That's why a preventive formalin dip with every new fish is important. It would also be a good idea implement dips into the TTM routine.

I've seen ORA fish go down on brook after shipping to a LFS. In the aftermath the took a whole system down. So it was either latent in the system or came with the ORA fish that for sure were doing OK for months before being shipped out and stressed by it.

 

[BigBlueTang]

I'm sorry he didn't make it.

I don't think it was velvet or brook that killed him, even though they can't be ruled out. I'm pretty sure it was either the Cryptocaryon or a secondary bacterial infection.

In the first picture he had already a very heavy Cryptocaryon infection. Every white dot you see on him you have to multiply with 200 to 300 to get the intensity of the next wave that will hit him. Assuming he had about 500 parasites on his skin, fins and gills and taking the high multiplier of 300 you get 150,000 tomites for the next wave. That's absolutely lethal.

While Cryptocaryon builds up slow in the beginning it can progress quickly at advanced stages as it has an avalanche effect to it. When you see a fish having more white dots than you can easily count immediate action is required, even if it is just one transfer right after the parasites fall off to reduce the intensity of the next wave. Switching to therapeutic Hyposalinity is another way to at a minimum give the fish some relive and to buy some time until you can set up everything for TTM. In many cases hyposalinity alone may even be enough to kill the parasites off. Though it would still be a good idea to do a round of tank transfers to be on the safe side.

Like with Cryptocaryon, fish can develop full or partial immunity against all other protozoan parasites. All it takes is a large enough stressor that weakens the fish's immune system to unleash the parasites. So a brook or velvet outbreak can happen at any time and there is not really a time after which you are absolutely safe. That's why a preventive formalin dip with every new fish is important. It would also be a good idea implement dips into the TTM routine.

I've seen ORA fish go down on brook after shipping to a LFS. In the aftermath the took a whole system down. So it was either latent in the system or came with the ORA fish that for sure were doing OK for months before being shipped out and stressed by it.

Ah.
I'm pretty bitter about losing the wrasse. Knowing that I could've done something to help doesn't make it better, but I need to realize I failed that fish. Dissapointed, although I need to do a better job next time. I have formalin ordered, and I will dip whatever fish I get immediately next time.