Is this the start of ICH?

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president89

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This is one of my spawning females. Her previous male died of brook. I introduced a new male (after a formalin dip) and they are spawning. I noticed this white dot. The fish is breathing fine and is eating like a pig. I cannot seem to capture on video. I cannot seem to get a clearer photo.

I keep salinity around 1.019, nitrates are consistently around 25ppm - broodstock setup with heavy feeding.

The good news is she's getting fat because she's due to spawn in the next few days.

 
Also, I suspect that she's wild caught. I cannot confirm, but I've been told the Darwins at the store I bought her at were wild caught.
 
Focus is not sharp enough for visual . . . what behaviors? When was the last fish (or other wet thing) added to the tank? Did it come from a source that runs copper in their system? Was it quarantined, and if so, how?
 
I added some healthy fish that were treated with CP and prazi for about a week. Normally I do longer, but my QT tank is full of new comers. The fish is acting perfect, eating lots, respiration is good. The only cause for concern is that white mark. I cannot get the camera to focus good enough. I can try again. Maybe take a video. I have another black OC that has a white mark(it looks blue tinted) on the white band that has been present for several months - again doesn't appear to be causing an issue. I wasn't sure if this was the same thing, except it's on the black part of the fish. I don't have info on the source's copper. It's a pretty big non-chain store with no coral, so typically those have copper, no? This is not a petco fish.
 
president89 said:
I added some healthy fish that were treated with CP and prazi for about a week. Normally I do longer, but my QT tank is full of new comers. The fish is acting perfect, eating lots, respiration is good. The only cause for concern is that white mark. I cannot get the camera to focus good enough. I can try again. Maybe take a video. I have another black OC that has a white mark(it looks blue tinted) on the white band that has been present for several months - again doesn't appear to be causing an issue. I wasn't sure if this was the same thing, except it's on the black part of the fish. I don't have info on the source's copper. It's a pretty big non-chain store with no coral, so typically those have copper, no? This is not a petco fish.
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May be nothing. CP should be for 30 days for safest results. Lots of stores run copper hence my nervousness of anything less than 30 days of CP.
 
president89 said:
I tried to get on video. Funny these clowns are attracted to light. My others run away scared. http://youtu.be/9SW0vpO5K-Q
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Visual, especially video because of focus issues, is really tough. If it is ich, it will disappear, then reappear. If it is the beginning of lymphocystis, it will be more persistent but will eventually go away permanently. Vitamin enrichment is best treatment for the latter.

However, if you are going to use CP prophylactically, I would recommend always doing 30 days of treatment.
 
White spots are more prevalent. 3 spots. The fish still eats and spawns. I treated with formalin for 2 days - I shut off the return to main system and treated just their container - added and airstone and powerhead to keep water oxygenated. Spots are still there - The fish is acting normal. I still can't get a good picture. I might try to catch in a specimen container and photograph that way. All other fish in the system are healthy and all spawning is still occuring.
 
I put her in a specimen container. Here are some better shots. I personally can't do any better than this. I got a video as well, but it was hard keeping the camera focused on this fast fish!
I just did a 80% water change to get rid of the formalin. I haven't tried anything else yet.
http://youtu.be/6AIWn5u9-vc


 
Still present. It has a "fuzzy" look to it. I'm starting to think it's lymphocystis. How do I provide vitamin enrichment? Is that Vitachem and/or selcon?
 
president89 said:
Still present. It has a "fuzzy" look to it. I'm starting to think it's lymphocystis. How do I provide vitamin enrichment? Is that Vitachem and/or selcon?
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Yes. Vitachem or selcon would be advised. Ich is not persistent (comes and goes) whereas lymphocystis is persistent and looks fluffy/lumpy
 
If it looks slimy and fuzzy it is likely not lymphocystis. Lymphocystis is more lumpy and solid with the consistency of a wart.

My percula female had a few similar spots while in hyposalinity treatment against ich. So I put her under my microscope to see if it might be a low salinity ich strain but it was just an infected missing scale from a fight she had a few days before with the P. fridmani male.

If your fish might have had a fight I would suspect that. Are there any other fish with them in that tank?

I would observe it and see if it gets worse or goes away (and stays away) in a few days.
If it is ich you will likely get another wave a few days after the first spots disappeared.
 
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