Italy's Best! Matured SPS Aquariums.

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9329432#post9329432 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Obi-dad
I am guessing he is saying not to dose sugar separately from pappone, that it needs to be mixed in the pappone. Currently there are people here trying sugar or vodka dosing (not as part of a food mix like pappone) and there have been some bad results from doing that. I had one such bad result from dosing vodka, it eventually drove the nutrients so low that I lost some acros.

Oops yeah I just re-read what I posted, it was pretty late when I responded! Yeah thats the gist of the post and I'll fix it right now.
 
I have a question reguarding the suger if you add to much or to little. Can it cause bacterial blooms in the tank that can affect sps and cuase them to RTN?
Michael
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9332321#post9332321 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by trueblackpercula
I have a question reguarding the suger if you add to much or to little. Can it cause bacterial blooms in the tank that can affect sps and cuase them to RTN?
Michael

I dunno, I think I've heard of this happening with people that over-dosed vodka in their tanks. This would be a good thing to ask maybe in the advanced topics forum.

All I know is that it is another carbon source for the bacteria and considering how fast they reproduce, I could see it causing problems. With E. coli in the lab here, when they have enough nutrients, they can double every couple hours or so, then they can start producing metabolic biproducts that can mess up the pH in the dish despite having buffer.
 
I started the blue coral method tonight. I shut my skimmer off and added my pappone. Do I need to take the filter bag out of the sump? I have it in there to catch any detritus that come down the overflow. Would it catch the circulating pappone and take it out of suspension?
 
Lose the filter bag and several pages back it was discussed that the skimmer is not to be shut off. Just remove the cup untill the morning
 
I just lower the water level in the skimmer as low as it can go. then in the am put the cup back on and readjust the water level, works perfect for me
 
If you have to turn it off I'm sure you can just throw an airstone in your sump, the whole reason of leaving it on is to keep ph stable...
 
In the "Controlling nitrates with sugar" thread (Reef Discussion forum I believe) there is a discussion about this. There are some opinions on it both ways, however anyone dosing sugar has reported this problem, even when they've overdosed enough to get a visible bloom. For what its worth, I think you'd have to dose significantly more sugar than the recipe calls for to even see a bloom. I was up to 1 TBSP per day (240 gal tank) and the only visible results I saw were an extremely clear tank and the lack of color on my Salifert nitrate test vial :D

I haven't started making the pappone yet, but its on my list of things to do.

jds

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9332504#post9332504 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DarkXerox
I dunno, I think I've heard of this happening with people that over-dosed vodka in their tanks. This would be a good thing to ask maybe in the advanced topics forum.

All I know is that it is another carbon source for the bacteria and considering how fast they reproduce, I could see it causing problems. With E. coli in the lab here, when they have enough nutrients, they can double every couple hours or so, then they can start producing metabolic biproducts that can mess up the pH in the dish despite having buffer.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9326295#post9326295 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Green Thumb
Glad to see somebody else has used AA before doing the pappone recipe. I actualy just started dosing AA's today. I purchased the "Elos Aminoacids monodose". I did a 15% water change and dosed about half the recomended amount. Seeing alot of polyp extention. Im also going to make pappone soon.


Looks like pappone makes corals happy!! Nice tanks in Italia!!!!!!!, phenomenal!!!

Do any of these tanks use natural sea water?

What is the water change regimen of these big tanks, out of curriosity? Please.

Sorry to be a bugger but I realy want to know, do any of the Italian SPS tanks pictured use NSW?

Also what is the water change regimen on these big tanks?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9359070#post9359070 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Green Thumb
Sorry to be a bugger but I realy want to know, do any of the Italian SPS tanks pictured use NSW?

Also what is the water change regimen on these big tanks?

Nel 99% dei casi nessuno utilizza acqua marina naturale...ci sono diverse controindicazioni...tra cui:
-l'acqua del mediterraneo ha caratteristiche diverse da quella dei mari tropicali
-contiene una concentrazioni di sali diversa
-contiene meno calcio e meno oligoelementi
-può contenere diversi inquinanti
-può contenere uova di organismi tipici del mediterraneo, che poi si ritroverebbero a una temperatura superiore e quindi morirebbero provocando inquinamento
-potrebbe contenere specie batteriche patogene
in definitiva l'acqua che c'è qui da noi è molto diversa dall'acqua in cui vivono i coralli....quindi per usarla bisognerebbe fare uan serie di procedure che porterebbero il tutto ad un costo eccessivo.
si usa quindi acqua d'osmosi e sale sintetico ;)

nel metodo BLU CORAL, i cambi d'acqua sono massicci e poco frequenti. di solito si cambiano 3/4 dell'acqua della vasca ogni 5-6 mesi...
c'è poi chi la cambia ogni mese, chi ogni settimana.....dipende dalle varie metodologie di gestione.

ciao Fabio
 
In 99% of cases, noone uses NSW, there are different counter-indications between which:
-Mediterranean water has different characteristics than tropical waters
-Contains different salt concentrations
-Contains less Ca2+ and other minerals
-There might be different pollutants
-It might contain eggs from typical mediterranean organisms, that when reaching a higher temperature die off creating pullutants
-There could be different types of pathogenic bacteria

In general, the water that is near us is not very different than that of what corals live in...therefore for using it would require a series of procedures that woulbe be at a whole more expensive...therefor we use RO water and sythetics salts

In the BLU CORAL method, the water changes are large but less frequent. Usually you change 3/4 of the total tank volume every 5-6 months...

then there are also people that change every month, every week...depending on what method they are using.

-Fabio
 
can't believe this thread, just simply amazing and also took me a awhile to read but interesting, keep up the great job and pic's coming
 
Something I found interesting about the tank only lit with T-5 is that that the corals seem to grow upwards while the MH tanks have a more spread out look.
Either way, these tanks are amazing. I'm currently running my alk, ca and mg on the high end and dose AA and foods for coral. My results have been positive, but I have a long way to go to reach these levels.
 
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