Italy's Best! Matured SPS Aquariums.

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9014339#post9014339 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Roadtoad
I guess it is my turn to translate:

Fabio said: (sorry if I paraphrase a little)
In 99.99% of the cases frozen products include various preservatives some of which contain of ammonia, if my memory doesnt fail me… Preseervatives may also be found in fish products that are transported long distances to where you live. If I go to Rome (as an example) and buy fish that comes from 800 km away from my house, it will probably contain some type of preservative, even if it came from the fresh fish counter. Therefore beyond looking for fish that is not frozen, I look into the place where it comes from and try to get it from local sources. It is a good rule to avoid frozen ingredients just for the simple fact that the traders are forced to preserve the fish after it has been caught until it is sold…. Even if you find fish (even if it has been frozen) that is guaranteed not to contain preservatives there is another problem…. If I take 10 frozen mussels (or other seafood), once I defrost it, prepare the pappone and then re-freeze it into cubes many of the nutrients would get lost. In the end it is best to get the freshest ingredients.

Fabio


BTW, Fabio, PE is referring to polyp extension
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Thanks Fabio for your reply. It does make perfect sense.

The person on the other forum was a molecular biologist I guess and claimed that if you were trying to perserve the cell wall that would be one thing otherwise frozen was far superior. I replied that the freezing would start to break down the "protiens", I'm sure I miss spoke there but it doesn't make sence to freeze, thaw and then refreeze to me. It does make sence that the freezing would cause the nutrient levels to drop. Plus if you can get fresh or live it can't get any better than that.

Thanks to roadtoad also for the translation...
 
I remember when I kept an iguana I use to make DIY food. I allways had to add vitaman b because it was known to get lost in freezing. I kind of figured that you need to add vitamines to any frozen fish food.
 
The last post of the "recipe" didn't include vitamins in the mix. I thought I read somewhere in this thread that they were adding a children's multi vitamin.
 
So they use AA;s from a pharmacy, now that makes more sense. The GNC stuff cant be good for adding to the tank. Now i want to know what EXACT AA;s the Italians are adding...maybe it was mentioned in their posts, but the online translators give me english that is even harder to understand. At least with the italian i can take parts of words and guess, but the English it puts out is like words coming from a crackhead that just got done smoking angel dust.

BTW, true black, when i started I had a millie that always showed stupid PE during the day and when i started feeding it showed NO PE..i was worried because this millie is known for its PE...tested everything and could find nothing at all. I was worried as heck, I run a GFO reactor which had new media put in prior to starting the pappone to ease my fears. I decided to just let it be and let it take its course rather than messing with the tank and bam, 4 days later PE is back....dont know what it was!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9018055#post9018055 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pito
I remember when I kept an iguana I use to make DIY food. I allways had to add vitaman b because it was known to get lost in freezing. I kind of figured that you need to add vitamines to any frozen fish food.
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Frozen fish needs to be supplemented with thiamine due to thiaminase in the tissue. That's probably the vitamin your thinking of.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9018925#post9018925 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Serioussnaps
the online translators give me english that is even harder to understand.



Couldn't agree more.

trueblackpecula and Roadtoad thanks for the translations.:thumbsup:
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9019013#post9019013 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Herpervet
Frozen fish needs to be supplemented with thiamine due to thiaminase in the tissue. That's probably the vitamin your thinking of.
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I'm not sure, but it's obviouse that there's a loss of certain essential itams when freezing food. I'm wondering if there have been studies that show whats lost and what needs to be replaced in the foods we use?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9018925#post9018925 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Serioussnaps
So they use AA;s from a pharmacy, now that makes more sense. The GNC stuff cant be good for adding to the tank. Now i want to know what EXACT AA;s the Italians are adding...maybe it was mentioned in their posts, but the online translators give me english that is even harder to understand. At least with the italian i can take parts of words and guess, but the English it puts out is like words coming from a crackhead that just got done smoking angel dust.

BTW, true black, when i started I had a millie that always showed stupid PE during the day and when i started feeding it showed NO PE..i was worried because this millie is known for its PE...tested everything and could find nothing at all. I was worried as heck, I run a GFO reactor which had new media put in prior to starting the pappone to ease my fears. I decided to just let it be and let it take its course rather than messing with the tank and bam, 4 days later PE is back....dont know what it was!
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OK...ora capisco "PE"...grazie Road ;)

io non ho nessuno che mi traduce in italiano però....stò diventando pazzo con i traduttori on line...:D
l'estenzione dei polipi(PE) aumenta di molto con l'aggiunta del pappone....
ho notato però anche io una riduzione della estroflessione dopo aver aggiunto gli amminoacidi, ma erano di tipo diverso rispetto a quelli che vi ho scritto sopra...quelli che in molti acquariofili italiani usano solo "Amminocomplex; Long life....

quindi dopo 2-3 somministrazioni vedevo che le mie montipore digitate rimanevano chiuse per qualche ora....subito dopo aver messo gli amminoacidi....quindi ho interrotto.
adesso stò utilizzando solo pappone. senza amminoacidi. e tutto fila liscio...

molti usano reefstar :
http://www.thereefer.it/shop/product_info.php?cPath=53_222&products_id=645

questo è un negozio online italiano....comunque qualsiasi tipo di amminoacidi vanno bene....
non è un problema questo! solo che se notate cianobatteri o fenomeni strani, interrompete....in fondo sono utili, ma non indispensabili!


ciao Fabio
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9020015#post9020015 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sir
OK...ora capisco "PE"...grazie Road ;)

io non ho nessuno che mi traduce in italiano però....stò diventando pazzo con i traduttori on line...:D
l'estenzione dei polipi(PE) aumenta di molto con l'aggiunta del pappone....
ho notato però anche io una riduzione della estroflessione dopo aver aggiunto gli amminoacidi, ma erano di tipo diverso rispetto a quelli che vi ho scritto sopra...quelli che in molti acquariofili italiani usano solo "Amminocomplex; Long life....

quindi dopo 2-3 somministrazioni vedevo che le mie montipore digitate rimanevano chiuse per qualche ora....subito dopo aver messo gli amminoacidi....quindi ho interrotto.
adesso stò utilizzando solo pappone. senza amminoacidi. e tutto fila liscio...

molti usano reefstar :
http://www.thereefer.it/shop/product_info.php?cPath=53_222&products_id=645

questo è un negozio online italiano....comunque qualsiasi tipo di amminoacidi vanno bene....
non è un problema questo! solo che se notate cianobatteri o fenomeni strani, interrompete....in fondo sono utili, ma non indispensabili!


ciao Fabio
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OK. ..ora I understand "PE" ...grazie Road

I have not no that it translates myself in Italian however. ...stò becoming crazy with the translators on line... The estenzione of the polyps (PE) increases of a lot with the addition of the pappone. ... I noted however also I a reduction of the estroflessione after to have added the amminoacidi, but were of different type with respect to those that I wrote yourselves above. ..quelli that in Italian a lot of acquariofili use alone "Amminocomplex; Long life. ...

Therefore after 2-3 administrations I saw that my montipore pressed rhymed closed for some now. ...subito after to have put the amminoacidi. ...quindi I interrupted. Now it was using alone pappone. without amminoacidi. and all smooth line...

A lot they use reefstar: http://www.thereefer.it/shop/produc...products_id=645

This is an online shop Italian. ...comunque any type of amminoacidi go well. ... It is not a problem this! but if noted cianobatteri or weird phenomena, interrupt. ...in deep are useful, but not indispensable!

hello Fabio
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9027995#post9027995 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by trueblackpercula
what's the difference from that and the ones designed for Reeftanks suck as Zeovit brand AA?
Michael
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Probabilemte nessuna...solo che è più comodo scendere sotto casa e comprarli direttamente in farmacia piuttosto che ordinarli tramite internet, pagarli molto di più....aspettare che arrivino, poi magari sono sbagliati ecc ecc ecc
solo per questo ;)


meglio comunque usare amminoacidi specifici per acquari di barriera...come ad esempio quelli zeovit o di qualunque altro tipo....almeno siamo sicuri di non fare qualche danno...
evitate di fare esperimenti :D

grazie!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9029410#post9029410 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sir
Probabilemte nessuna...solo che è più comodo scendere sotto casa e comprarli direttamente in farmacia piuttosto che ordinarli tramite internet, pagarli molto di più....aspettare che arrivino, poi magari sono sbagliati ecc ecc ecc
solo per questo ;)


meglio comunque usare amminoacidi specifici per acquari di barriera...come ad esempio quelli zeovit o di qualunque altro tipo....almeno siamo sicuri di non fare qualche danno...
evitate di fare esperimenti :D

grazie!
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No Probabilemte. ..solo that is more comfortable to come down under house and to buy them directly in pharmacy rather that to order the means internet, to pay the a lot of more. ...aspettare that arrive, then even if ecc are blundered ecc alone ecc for this

Better however it use specific amminoacidi for aquariums of barrier. ..come for example those zeovit or of whatever other type. ...almeno we are secure of not to do some damage... you avoid to do experiments

Thanks!
 
what's the difference from that and the ones designed for Reeftanks suck as Zeovit brand AA?

I made a mistake in the spelling :)

suck as Zeovit brand
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It should not read suck .........it should read such. sorry about that everyone as I like the zeo brand just wish it was not that expensive.
Michael
 
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