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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9430057#post9430057 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DarkXerox
Translation:
Emh, my tank is also BB!
Let's clear something up for a second...
You use the sugar in these quantities and not in excess for stimulation the bacteria and therefore, together with the whole BC method brings a drop in nutrients thanks to the work of bacteria. If the phenomenons of STN or RTN are taking place, it means that the dosing is too low! Therefore you need to increase the dose of pappone...obviously in the tank there are already many oligotrophs, like zeovit, you need to avoid the use of sugar calmly. In the BC method, sugar is used in low quantities for the reasons I stated above, but the pappone in these cases in which are necessary, needs to be prepared calmly also without sugar.
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I actually experienced my first case of RTN in 5 years. I attributed it to some heavy fragging and a pavona's sweeper tenticles getting too close to my prized acro, but now wondering if it could possibly be due the BC method that I've recently started trying too. I didn't think it would be related to the BC method, but then i read this quote above and it made me wonder some more.

Can we get some more in depth analysis on this translation. Should I be worried about RTN occuring on other corals? if it is possible that this RTN incident was related to the BC method (not saying it is), would your recomendation be for me to actually add more cubes at one time??? seems backwards - seems like I'd want to add less, right?

Thanks,
Ben
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9506908#post9506908 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by class clown
I actually experienced my first case of RTN in 5 years. I attributed it to some heavy fragging and a pavona's sweeper tenticles getting too close to my prized acro, but now wondering if it could possibly be due the BC method that I've recently started trying too. I didn't think it would be related to the BC method, but then i read this quote above and it made me wonder some more.

Can we get some more in depth analysis on this translation. Should I be worried about RTN occuring on other corals? if it is possible that this RTN incident was related to the BC method (not saying it is), would your recomendation be for me to actually add more cubes at one time??? seems backwards - seems like I'd want to add less, right?

Thanks,
Ben
Ciao Ben.

No. il metodo se usato seguendo quelle poche regole che sono riportate nell'articolo non porta a RTN.
hai controllato i nitrati e fosfati?
probabilmente il problema è un altro...
non aumentare l'alimentazione, porterebbe ancora a problemi.
inserisci carbone attivo e misura attentamente i nutrienti.
quando hai preparato il pappone, hai rispettato le quantità scritte nell'articolo??
hai aggiunto altre cose che li non sono indicate?
hai qualche foto da mostrarmi?
mi indichi per bene la quantità di pappone che usi, i litri della tua vasca e la popolazione di coralli e pesci?
le cose vanno fatte sempre gradualmente.
non credete che i coralli inizino a crescere e colorarsi in 1 settimana.
ci vuole tempo e costanza...e sopratutto una corretta gestione della quantità di pappone immesso.

ciao Fabio
 
Has anyone had a hard time keeping their alkalinity up since they started the BC method? My tank is BB and I had slowly ramped up all the paramters to match what was posted for the method. I started off feeding pappone once a week and now I am up to three times a week. My alkalinity use has skyrocketed. I assume it is due to coral uptake and impending growth as I do not see aloot of growth to the naked eye. I am waiting on a replacement calcium reactor and I am currently using B-ionic. I was using 65 ml daily in my tank when I started the BC method and today I am up to 180 ml's and I do not think that is going to keep up. My alk yesterday was 4.28 and today it is 3.66 by salifert test. I used 120 ml of B-ionic yesterday. I guess I need to speed along that calcium reactor.
 
Same boat, increased ca and alk demand. Obviously assuming increased growth. I can see a small growth increase this last week. First time I have ever thought of adding a ca. reactor.
 
Henry,
I am using seachem reef plus for my amino acids and the pappone. I am following the blue coral method as described earlier. I am up to feeding 3x a week now. I am using a 1/2 cube when I feed. I started off with feeding once a week and noticed some rtn. Then I saw the post about RTN was linked to not feeding enough. So I went to twice a week. Still had a little RTN going on. So now up to 3x/ week and no more RTN.

But I am going to have to hurry up and get my calcium reactor in. Dosing that increased amount of B-ionic is a pain and costly. I have to dose that amount staggered over the day so as not to really spike my ph and cause a snowstorm. I learned the snowstorm issue the hard way. Plus all the testing of alkalinty is costly.
 
Excuse the ignorance Doc, but what is RTN? I've seen the term referenced so many times on this thread...
I've been feeding Reefbooster aminoacids and pappone once a week for about 2 months now. I have noticed coral growth and polyp extension... but RTN?
Thanks.
 
BC and zeo can work together.

Adding pappone with zeo is like over dosing with start2.... and causes RTN.

If you run zeo keep levels at NSW, feed pappone less the sugar and you should be fine.

eric
 
I've been using the BluCoral feeding for 9 weeks now. I have not had any RTN, bleaching or any problems whatsoever. I have been increasing to every 5 days now for the last 2.5 weeks. I am amazed at the overall health of my reef tank. Not that it was bad before but now water is crystal clear, water params I have increased but not quite as high as is recommended. My alk. has been a steady 9.3dKh and I'm running ca @ 440. Mag. @ 1350. I am also using Reef Plus 2 hours before feeding. I am seeing a bit less skimmate for the times between feedings.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9543897#post9543897 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Flint&Eric
BC and zeo can work together.

Adding pappone with zeo is like over dosing with start2.... and causes RTN.

If you run zeo keep levels at NSW, feed pappone less the sugar and you should be fine.

eric

esatto!!!!
diciamo che in questo caso si usa solo una parte del metodo (il pappone ) e non l'intero sistema(valori alti, kalkawasser ecc ecc)...una alimentazione con il pappone è sicuramente semplice e comoda anche per chi usa zeovit.

Bisogna fare attenzione!come per ogni altra cosa...

ciao Fabio.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9541718#post9541718 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by proboscis
Skydancer, RTN= rapid tissue necrosis

And here is what it looks like... :(

rtn1.jpg

rtnagain2.jpg
 
RTN... That's a horrible thing...

I'm glad I didn't have to find out what it was and didn't experience it while feeding amino/pappone.
 
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